Measles: Who is at risk and what they can do


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  1. Jack Russell

    In a public health care system such as Ontario and Canada, we pay for health care with our taxes, and we expect to receive health care benefits which are largely paid for by the government.

    If the health care system has determined through solid scientific evidence that diseases such as measles can be largely controlled through immunization and that the risk of adverse reaction is far outweighed by the societal benefits, then I believe that vaccination should be required by everyone in the society who is not medically compromised from receiving it.

    While there will always be a very small number of adverse reactions, these reactions will be managed by the health care system and the costs of managing those cases will be borne by the system. Overall, the costs of vaccinating everyone and dealing with the adverse cases will far outweigh the system costs if vaccines are not used.

    Notwithstanding the economic consequences in a resource limited system, the pain and suffering from the entire portion of the population who would have contracted the disease, will be far less than the pain and suffering of those who suffer adverse reactions.

    Personal choice in vaccinations is contributing to a significant decline in the populations overall health, and certainly increasing costs. This is money that could be better spent on treatment of and research towards other diseases.

    • The truth hurts

      Jack, they won’t be taken care of if they have a reaction. Did you know that Canada does not have any kind of vaccine injury compensation program? If you are injured by a vaccine in Canada (and not in Quebec), then you do not receive anything. The US has a compensation program for vaccine injury. Actually Canada is the only G7 nation that doesn’t have one.

      Where there is risk, there must always be choice.

      And who are you to say the adverse reactions to a vaccine are far less worse than the measles? Maybe you should talk to parents with vaccine injured children.

    • Barbara

      Jack, are you saying that drugs must be force injected into people for the “greater good”? I’m curious if you ever studied what the Nuremberg Code arose from and why the ability to decline a drug of medical treatment has been the cornerstone of not only personal freedom but medical care, “First, do no harm…”. Purposely knowing you will kill or injure some healthy children is essentially virgin sacrifice for the village.

      This doesn’t even go into the fact that no vaccine – at least in the US CDC schedule, has been tested against a saline placebo- even when it was a novel vaccine!!! That’s not ethical to force inject a drug that was never properly tested from the start.

  2. Other

    To the families / individuals whose first thought is “autism” when they hear the word “vaccine”:
    Unfortunately people are afraid of vaccines because of the rising rates of autism spectrum disorders. Ok first of all a part of me understands this, since a good parent will obviously want to do what is best for their child and they may have received information from sources that are not fully researched and reliable. If the medical community strongly believes that there is absolutely no link between vaccinations and autisum then I welcome a thorough large scale international epidemiological study to please disprove this – and please share the links to the evidence.
    We also have to keep an open mind to other factors at play, such as the fact that we are improving our autism screening and diagnostics, which will result in more children being positively identified as “autistic”. There are other environmental, lifestyle, and genetic factors that need to be considered by the medical community as well. If you consider that the rates of autism have risen over the past 10-20 years, is there anything else that comes to mind that may have changed in the developed world over that same period of 10-20 years? I personally would like to see researchers and doctors please start to consider the rise of electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) – i.e. the exposure to cell towers and wifi. There is evidence coming from Europe that demonstrates positive associations between wifi exposures and childhood behavioural changes. Many countries in Western europe have very strict policies about wifi exposure in primary schools/daycare centres (i.e. no wifi and dial up only) as well as wifi exposure near individual dwellings (i.e. wifi tower needs to be at least 250m away from a person’s home; not on top of a condo building like you see all over big cities). The research is growing but for some reason we here in North America do not discuss or report on this and we are even foolishly getting excited about the prospect of 5G technologies. This is by far the most dangerous of the technologies as the signals are milimeter waves (ie. the lenght of the wave emitted is <0.45 inches in length) and can penetrate human tissue. Many people will laugh and say "microwaves haven't killed me yet" – you are right, the microwave in your kitchen emits wavelengths of the length of 12 cm and this will not penetrate your tissue and will not kill you. The milimeter waves of 5G will penetrate into your tissues, and the sad part is that the 5G will be everywhere since the waves are so short and don't travel as far as our current 2G long waves, you will need the 5G routers simply everywhere to have cell signal available. Research has shown that these tiny waves will disrupt mitochondrial processes and DNA.

    Here is one peer reviewed research article of 100s to get you started:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28504324

    Please if you disagree with this one article that's fine, I welcome it. Look at others, try to find ones that disprove this, this is the point of debate.

    • Lowell Hubbs

      Large scale epidemiological studies have been done but they were only done on one vaccine the MMR, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. There were no safety studies in regard to multiple vaccines given over time, or studies in regard to giving 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. So, their vaccine safety data is in fact largely inadequate. There again, where does the reckless and irresponsible claim come from as to multiple doses of the MMR vaccine, that quote, “The risk of getting an adverse effect actually goes down with the number of doses. So the more you doses you get, the less likely you are to have a side effect.” unquote? Where is the study?

      No safety studies as well have been done in regard to the molecular mimicry autoimmunity causing effects of vaccine ingredients and worse yet, known serious issues of vaccine contamination. No safety studies have been done in regard to vaccine aluminum adjuvants, while a large amount of study data directly shows the harmful effects of those said adjuvants and to include a link to resulting encephalopathy, over-activation of the brains microglia cells with resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation, and autism.

      No vaccine during the clinical trial findings data is ever tested against a true saline placebo in the comparison of systemic effects. That is a red flag as to their actual intent to prove vaccines as being safe. Apparently they do not care, as there exists no legal liability for anyone involved with childhood vaccines. Manufacturer defects as well will hold no merit in a court of law as all of it has now been determined as preempted by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, (Bruesewitz v. Wyeth), determining vaccines to be unavoidably unsafe. No vaccine clinical trial as well ever uses an un-vaccinated comparison control group.

      Even the federal vaccine court still uses the epidemiological studies I just mentioned, to deny children compensation for alleged vaccine caused autism. If you also want a well done analysis on those studies, what was found was, flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources being largely the CDC; and clearly none of those studies were independent and/or unbiased.

      VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
      http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

      9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
      http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    • me

      Autism is not the primary concern of ex vaxxers. Have you read an insert? Maybe they should find out for sure if vaccines cause cancer or infertility before we shoot it into young vulnerable babies??? Read an insert; it’s not about autism.

  3. Barbara

    I am horrified that an immunization professional would say that getting as many doses of the MMR as possible would do no harm. There is no scientific evidence to back that up. It’s reckless and harmful! My son was injured by his 2nd MMR. They can and do injure. You wonder why people distrust the medical community? We are treated like we’re stupid, by people like that. When we know more than your expert – the medical field loses its respect and its “following”.

    • Joshua P Bennett

      Sorry to hear of this Barbara. MMR destroyed my mother’s body. My own flu shot caused aggressive central nervous system demyelination at age 27. I have emailed (and responded here) Dr Crowcroft asking for some evidence of this inverse relationship between MMR uptake and adverse events.

      • me

        I’m so sorry to read of your reactions to something they are so forceful on people receiving. The flu shot scares me more than anything.

  4. Joshua P Bennett

    Question about this comment:

    “The wonderful thing about the MMR vaccine is you can have as many doses as you like,” says Natasha Crowcroft, chief of applied immunization research at Public Health Ontario. “The risk of getting an adverse effect actually goes down with the number of doses. So the more you doses you get, the less likely you are to have a side effect.”

    Certainly you know that the MMR was banned in Japan for the damage and deaths it caused. Is there any evidence or data to support the conclusion that there is an inverse correlation between MMR uptake and adverse reactions? Do you think there would have been less adverse reactions in Japan if more doses were administered?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html

  5. Amy Downing Loveless

    This was painful as heck to read-
    “The wonderful thing about the MMR vaccine is you can have as many doses as you like,” says Natasha Crowcroft, chief of applied immunization research at Public Health Ontario. “The risk of getting an adverse effect actually goes down with the number of doses. So the more you doses you get, the less likely you are to have a side effect.”

    Um where is the studies and proof of that?
    Coorelation does not equal causation – that argument works both ways…
    Where is your damn proof?

    Because this is what I heard when she let that drivel out of her mouth:

    “The Wonderful Thing About Cigarettes is you can have as many inhales as you like,” …
    “The Risk Of getting Lung Cancer actually goes down with the number of inhales. So the more inhales you take, the less likely you are to have a side effect.”

  6. Tracy McGrady

    The agenda of forced vaccination is based on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry! INDUSTRY is a business and is ensuring it will have patients for the duration of the patients lives the earlier it can inject all the toxins into a human being. Court records prove they are not safe and that they contain the live viruses which the outbreaks stem from. As demonstrated from the Brady Bunch episode, measles are a virus that produces a rash, fever and after a week or so disappears! It is not ebola and no deaths arise from contracting it. Forced vaccination utilizing fear tactics are just a tool to propagate the agenda and removes the rights of every parent who has researched and advocates on behalf of their children. These agencies that state the motto of “protection and safety” are doing the exact opposite by pushing known toxins that cause autism, cancers and the very virus they claim to prevent. Vaccines have been found to have HIV, Polio, aluminium, DNA of monkeys, pigs, aborted fetuses and the like. Billions have been paid out in court against Merrick and Bayer as well as the other Pharma giants. The facts and evidence presented prove without any doubt that they are not safe nor effective in preventing and to continue to promote the use is a crime against humanity. Right now the biggest challenge is the false narrative promoted by officials who are being negligent by the continued propaganda put out in favour and on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies that operate for profit only. The eugenics depopulation campaign mandated by the likes of Bill Gates and has been reported world wide and lawsuits filed against the manufactures that have been without conscious killed and maimed millions of innocent people. The agenda to now push this on adults will not stand. We do not consent nor condone the forced vaccination protocol that has been implemented. As a human being you will be held accountable for all the children in Ontario who are forced to receive these in order to attend school and suffer the consequences of those that are ignorant to the life threatening consequences of being injected with them.

  7. Crows Crowcroft

    “Try re-vaccination – It never will hurt you,
    For re-vaccination has this one great virtue:
    Should it injure or kill you whenever you receive it,
    We all stand prepared to refuse to believe it.”
    – From a circular signed “The Doctors”, 1876

  8. Lowell Hubbs

    [What if you’re not sure whether you’ve had the MMR vaccination?
    Ideally, you have written documentation of your immunization history; in Ontario, it is recorded in a small yellow booklet. If you can’t find it and your doctor has no record, there is no harm in getting the vaccine again. “The wonderful thing about the MMR vaccine is you can have as many doses as you like,” says Natasha Crowcroft, chief of applied immunization research at Public Health Ontario. “The risk of getting an adverse effect actually goes down with the number of doses. So the more you doses you get, the less likely you are to have a side effect.” ]

    Where is your study data in regard to this said claim and provide the source, Natasha Crowcroft? Produce it, or retract your vaccine insane false propaganda claims!!! You need direct data sources to make all the claims that you do and it must be based on study science. Thousands of children have been MMR vaccine injured after standard does of MMR vaccine, and you have the audacity to make such an obviously false claim.

  9. MH vd Berg

    ““The wonderful thing about the MMR vaccine is you can have as many doses as you like,” says Natasha Crowcroft, chief of applied immunization research at Public Health Ontario. “The risk of getting an adverse effect actually goes down with the number of doses. So the more you doses you get, the less likely you are to have a side effect.”

    Mrs Natasha Crowcroft: could you refer me to any research to back up this interesting statement?

  10. Bev Johnson

    I’m not sure if or when I had this shot . If there is no risk of harm I should get one now and maybe repeat it every year just in case .
    You say I can have as many doses as I want

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