No more politics. Scientific leadership urgently needed as second wave emerges

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  1. Phil

    Scientists are political!
    Pretty sure the ID specialists are, on some level, happy to give media interviews and have a spotlight on their role. The exception to me is Dr Allison McGeer – she is truly a trustworthy expert that we should be hearing more from. I always appreciate her interviews.
    I had heard that one ID specialist has a financial stake in technology around a COVID app.
    That said, the clinicians are obviously “less political” than politicians. But to suggest that scientists don’t have biases or vested interests can be an issue.
    On a side note, some docs seem to spend a lot of time on Twitter, and perhaps effort in curating their social media presence. It makes me wonder why they aren’t spending that time on patient care.

  2. rickk

    Would this be like the science critically evaluating the Sweden response such that their country is back to normal? Science was politicized the minute Trump shut down most travel from China. Since then, masks are silly and don’t work, masks might work, masks are mandatory. Since then HCQ is has absolutely no value and is toxic and completely unsafe (despite 500 million people probably taking there usual dose today, despite the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons suing the FDA for its arbitrary restriction to its use ie. your American colleagues). Since then (as of Jun 2020 in Canada), 1 person under 20y with other comorbidities has died secondary to covid – yet all our grade-schools are on some wonky 25% onsite and 75% at home schedule…which science might you be suggesting? BTW how overwhelmed was WOHS in March, April, May, June – funny that this metric is never reported anywhere but for Italy when they were in the thick of it.

  3. MaryLynn

    Thank you for the well written & thoughtful article. It is important that physicians speak to these issues. I appreciate all those that have done that- it’s not easy. I’m not sure the general public knows how much better Ontario could have done in this pandemic if politicians had not turned it in to an election campaign style forum. We desperately need medical leadership to be the lead role in this. Having a “secret” command table is as worrisome as is having a coroner involved during a pandemic in a province rich is medical experts. It’s shameful that Ontario is in this position.

  4. Kyle Carruthers

    Respectfully, our response to COVID has various implications that are beyond the scope of expertise of infectious disease specialists.

    With respect to the specific examples of reducing class sizes for example, I suspect that the government heard the advice the author references loud and clear but had to contend with the sheer logistical challenges of cutting class sizes in half within a short time frame. Ultimately infectious disease specialists are not experts on the logistics of upscaling an education system. So the government had to make a decision to either switch to part time attendance or go forward with overcrowded classrooms. They may have even put this dichotomy to their own internal public health experts who had to weigh in.

    That is just one example of a situation where expert advice clashes and someone has to make a difficult decision.

    • Phil

      This is so true.
      Just because someone is an excellent clinician or scientist, does not automatically mean they are a good leader, or should be charged with policy decisions.

    • Kelly

      In fact, school boards presented feasible and affordable options to the Ontario government for reducing all class sizes without needing to hire many teachers. TDSB proposed a plan that would have required only 200 additional teachers at a cost of $20 million, and would have placed all Kindergarten-Grade 8 students in classes of 15-20. The Ministry of Education rejected this plan. It appears they do not wish to reduce class sizes, despite clear evidence and expert advice that it is a crucial public health measure.

    • Ed Bernacki

      While I basically support your comment, I also see this as a failure of the public service in Ontario to innovate the solutions it needed. I have an international specialization in public service innovation. I was struck by the lack of engagement of innovation teams or the use of behaviour insights to shape solutions. Ontario knew schools had to reopen in April. Did you see teams of innovators come together with skills in HVAC, service design, cognitive style, communication, education, architecture and change come together to translate medical recommendations into practical solutions? No. There is a bigger issue here as well. I would suggest Canada missed so many opportunities to engage citizens to change behaviours. Our communication is mediocre at best. Here is an overview of what NZ did – they made people laugh.

  5. Jean marc benoit

    May I nominate Drs. Elizabeth Richardson ,Dominik Mertz, Neil Rau, and Martha Fulford?

  6. Frank Gavin

    I’m pretty sure SAGE in the UK was well in place and offering advice before and during the UK government’s disorganized and ineffective response to the pandemic–one of the worst in Europe. From what I’ve heard and read, the experts in SAGE had great difficulty coming up with anything like a consensus, and there’s been lots of speculation that the chief scientific and medical officials felt–and gave into–pressure to give the advice the government wanted to hear.

    I suspect there are much better examples than the UK for what you are calling for in Ontario.

  7. Lisa Jeffrey

    I completely agree with Dr. Fallis. It is high time for the Ontario government to listen to scientific advice.

  8. Ed Bernacki

    I do not dissagree with anything but I come from a problem-solving perspective. I saw Covid as two problems. The medical challenge was the first. The second is the challegne of changing the behaviour of people. We invested billions in the first and very little money or expertise into the second. We needed teams of communication, advertising, service design, design thinking, cognitive style, and so on to shape solutions (translating medical recommendations into designs of schools, solutions in all aspects of society or fun and engaging messages for communications). One aspect is communication and social media strategies. Ontario failed to engage society. Where is its advertising to reach 20-year-olds? Where was the plan in Aug to reach parents and teachers that schools are safe? It was amateur. I also lived in NZ. Imagine…if we hired Schitts Creek to produce 20 short vidoes on the behaviour changes we needed. This would be fun, and support social media. The Kiwis hired actors to do so. They also started Creative Genius to get people to produce their own covid videos to help others. About 600 videos were submitted. This includes videos to support the use of its app (which is a tracking app, not an exposure app) 42 per cent of Kiwis have the app compared to 6 per cent of Canadians. While I support what you are saying, we will fail again unless we make a distinction between the challenges we face. Here are a couple of articles I wrote on what the NZ did.

  9. Dr Vivian Rambihar

    Agree entirely with this “bring science to the forefront of our response.” But what science? Traditional science and epidemiology, like evidence, which is emerging with this novel Corona virus, are necessary but not sufficient.
    There are dynamics and complexities involved, and the science of complexity is being used by the Santa Fe Institute, its founding home, the New England Complex Systems Institute, and others to help stop this virus. Too bad it is superseded by politics there and elsewhere.

    Complexity is the science for the 21st century according to Stephen Hawking and well suited to dealing with the novel features and complex dynamics of Covid-19. In addition to the usual science, we should tap into those resources to see what they are advocating, add complexity scientists to the list of other scientists, and each of us learn some complexity and think complexity when making policy decisions and actions for Covid-19. It requires a few simple ideas to frame thinking, and adaptive action with feedback and change as needed.

    Can look at the websites mentioned above and Google complexity Covid for more, as well as “What is complexity science” and “Complexity Explained.” As it turns out, traditional science and complexity science tend to converge with Covid-19, but it is still useful to explore, to understand and plan for a future unknown. There is also some writing that a lack of complexity thinking is what got us to where we are at with this virus (The damage we are not attending to – Santa Fe Institute, and Who dropped the ball – BMJ post), and what we need to stop it.

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