Seven ways to talk to anti-vaxxers (that might actually change their minds)


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  1. Don Taylor

    A succinct synopsis of the issues and solutions. Perhaps you could add a # 8: “When communicating (verbal and written) with your patients and their significant others, avoid medical jargon”. Many people find it difficult to understand, especially those for whom English is a 2nd language. Medical practitioners are improving in this area, but still a work in process.

  2. Cypher

    Blah blah blah. How about finally telling the truth about medieval chemical injections OR have a live televised debate on the topic from both sides. If protecting the vaccinated from the unvaccinated is sooooo important you will not have a problem with the latter.

    Until then, you vaxtremists have 0 credibility.

    • Andrew

      It’s actually more about protecting children who cannot be or haven’t yet been vaccinated. Some vaccines, like the MMR, use attenuated virus (think of a dog vs. a wolf) but children with immune deficiencies can’t take those and rely on herd immunity.

      • Ted Kuntz

        So these children need to stay away from anyone recently vaccinated with a live virus vaccine due to viral shedding. Notice that cancer wards have signs at the entrance forbidding anyone who has been recently vaccinated with a live virus vaccine from entering. What does this tell you? Vaccines spread diseases.

      • Bobby

        As someone who is immunocompromised, I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone else. Vaccines have been shown to suppress and debilitate to the immune system. Please don’t use people like me as an excuse for medical tyranny under the false pretence of herd immunity which has been disproven. I do not feel safer. If anything, people like me are at risk of getting sick from those who are shedding viruses from vaccines. Second, mandatory vaccination will actually make it next to impossible for me to get the exemption I require as someone with an immune deficiency.

        • Sarah

          Of course vaccines are going to shake up the immune system. They’re forcibly exiling an entire family of disease. Saving lives is a big deal, it’s not going to feel like a placebo shot of sugar.

        • chris

          where does herd immunity being disproven facts come about?…

          • Jonathan

            Chris thats a great question. I admire that you seek real information. Herd immunuty is a common dogma but if a bit of critical thinking is applied its easy to see the truth amongst the dogma. The party line is that a huge drop in disease was noticed after the majority of people got vaccinated. First we must understand that this happened right around the same time as people learned the benifits of things like washing their hands. Cross contamination was also bekng learned, so to assume that the vaccinations were responsible for the drop ignores many other factors and skews the data. Herd immunity data is only valid at 90 percent or more of the population vaccinated which, as far as I know the numbers don’t show as being a reality. So the herd immunity theory already seems more like a fancy story based on belief and dogma rather than honest data in the majority of locations.(i note they did reach 90% or more in some places in canada) So if we wanted to prove herd immunity we would first have to look at communities that had a 90%+ rate of compliance. Then we would have to isolate the data from other possible factors such as the health habits and knowledge of the community. For this a control group (which their seems to be an absense of in this hoaky science) would be needed. Then you would also have to factor in enviromental factors. A disease more common in the tropics for example may not be much of an issue in Alaska or Canada. So if you take your northern data and say this proves it! Without also looking at the sothern data you end up with poor science if you could even call it science. By now you can probably see the extreme lack of critical thinking involved by those who push this theory. The majority once thought the earth was flat also but critical thinking and real science disproved this. However the minority who were the first to say the earth wasn’t flat endured a lot of persecution for differing from the party line. I belive they even killed some of them if I remember right. The last time I asked for very particular real world data in the hospital over this topic i was met with the deer in the headlightd look. Then they just went back to the safety of the party line rather than presenting the requested data or telling me where to find it. When I see doctors ignore request for real data a red flag goes up in my mind. But hey, it probably sounded good in the same classrooms all the doctors went to. Id call it herd propaganda. Sorry for any typos and poor wording, its 3am after a super busy week and im typing on a cell phone

            • Maria

              You’re the real information? Where’s your source? Cue deer in head lights look lol.

      • Moira

        But if the shots improve the immune system, why can’t you give it to the immune compromised?

        • Maive

          Because you need an immune system to learn about what the vaccine will teach to the body, if you don’t have it, the body will just have intruders injected without immune system to stop the verry weak version of the sickness that the vaccin submitted to your immune system to help it find out how to kill it.

      • Andrew

        This idea of protecting the immunocompromised is a MYTH. There is not ONE documented report of an unvaccinated person/child infecting and killing an immunocompromised child. Please post it if you find it. This is a myth created by big pharma to silence the assertion of parents who say whats the problems if yor child is vaccinated. Are they not protected? What difference does it make if my child is unvaccinated. If vaccines work there shouldn’t be a problem. But you see that argument didn’t sit well with big pharma so they came up with the immunocompromised child.

        Yet nobody talks about the actual DEATHS and PERMANENT INJURY AND DISABILITY that occurs EVERY SINGLE DAY with vaccines.

        • Maive

          The only way a immunocompromised guy can catch a sikeness is by someone that catch the sickness to give them… Vaccin prevent you from catching so you cannot give it to anyone, including immunocompromised, so this simple fact is the proof… immunocompromised cannot catch a sickness if nobody give them… that’s how viruses and bacterias work, you need someone to give it to you, they don’t come from nothingness.

          This would be useless to do documented report to tell colorblind that the sky is blue.

        • What?

          How do you think most disease spreads, Andrew?

        • Joseph Weil

          The actual deaths and permanent injury and disability that occurs every single day with vaccines is a lie, an urban myth, a falsehood. The perpetuation of a fantasy ideology that really doesn’t exist. The proof is in the number of people who DO get vaccinations that are effective. If you don’t believe this, let’s just hear from all of the anti-vaxers who ARE vaccinated and didn’t prevent their children from being vaccinated… The only reason for the anti-vax movement keeps making noise is because of false proponents and the gallability of poorly educated and stupid people, which includes those particularly in the mass media.

          • Jonathan

            … so your saying that data on vaccinations side effects is all a myth? That all of them are ok and that only the silly stupid folks believe that adverse reactions both possible and occure? … wow.

        • Snow

          Will everyone just quit talking about ‘Big Pharma’ for once and stick to something that is not going to make everyone hate researchers and doctors?
          Immunocompromised children DO exist, so don’t go around saying the ones who say they are are nothing but liars. There are different conditions, such as many types of cancer that make one have a compromised immune system. If they get just a little bit of the disease then they can DIE.
          Also, vaccine injuries are extremely rare, and I’ve seen only selfish people bringing that up. “Oh, so-and-so had one out of the MILLIONS who were vaccinated, so I’m not going to risk it.”
          If you don’t vaccinate your child these days, it is inevitable that your child will get the disease, and possibly DIE from it.
          If you do not agree with me, just see my FAVORITE vaxtremist Fallacy Man on the Logic of Science. He will correct your ways.
          *If you guys feel that I was rude or anything, please do not be afraid to yell at me on this.

    • Chris

      Ah nope. I’m not falling for false equivalence.

    • John

      How did you come to the conclusion that vaccines are bad? Read some stuff on the internet, and now your an expert?

    • FIona Lynch

      I agree. A live debate on TV. NO script for the presenter. Media are all funded by Big Pharma. So, bring in an outsider for the moderator, if you can find one?Hard to find anyone who does not have a dog in this race though… This will never happen however, because those who work for Big Pharma, do not want to be embarrassed by those who do actually have the evidence, that the Big Pharma peeps do not want the public to see.

    • Celena S.

      Dude, really? That is pretty rude to go around telling people who strongly believe in vaccinations have nothing on their side. Almost everyone knows about how we used to vaccinate and we already have had at least 20 different debates. It’s also not just about vaccinated verses unvaccinated either, as Andrew said. Some people are unable to vaccinate, and the ones who choose not vaccinate out of ignorance are injuring everyone. The vaccinated are okay. It’s the one who are unable to be vaccinated that we need to protect.

  3. Cathy

    I don’t think we should use the terms “anti-vaxxer” or “vaccine hesitant”, because they’re not respectful.

  4. Nora Staffanell

    I am with the Italian approach – vaccinate! When seat belts were made mandatory, after studies demonstrated that they were safe and effective, people stopped questioning and put on seat belts. They still do.

    • Rita

      Putting on a seat belts is not a medical procedure. Medical procedures require informed consent in this country. Anything that breaks through my skin without my permission is assault and battery.

      • FIona Lynch

        I agree… it is battery. Uninformed consent is unlawful.. period. ‘Tailor the message,’ a desperate strategy made up by desperate people, who realise that the global consumer is waking up, literate and discerning. No longer content to be a lab rat for the vaccine industry. It might work for the oganisations that experiment in Third World countries, but it won’t work in developed countries.. although to be frank, it is happening, just with peoples’ consent.

    • Linda Querel

      How many babies and toddlers have died from putting on a seat belt? How many got autoimmune diseases, seizures, brain damage, the disease itself, life threatening allergies, ADD and other learning disabilities, etc? Read the inserts that come with the vials not a printout with the sales slogan “safe & effective”. Read VAERS, read The US Vaccine Injury Court reports. Listen to a few of the thousands of parents, some Drs and scientists, tell their life changing reactions their children had to vaccines. Educate yourself, your child’s life may depend on it. You can’t tell an older person who lived without vaccines that without 69 doses of neurotoxins (aluminium and mercury), fetal cells, bovine serum, sorbate80, etc that they will die if they don’t get injected because they know better. Mumps, measles were considered harmless childhood diseases and we know it by experience. In the 80s children received 10 vaccines, they have long since worn off if they even took. Measles if antibodies were created at a cost to health lasts 10-12 years according to the CDC. That leaves millions that haven’t been in this theoretical herd pack for decades. Where are the deadly epidemics? A few cases of measles, many fully vaccinated, is not worth mentioning. What happened to H1N1? The UK paid out 90 million to children injured by that vaccine. What happened to the Zika virus? It’s fear mongering. It’s all orchestrated by the pharmaceutical industry for sales and to boost their billion $ profits. The children have never been sicker. The US vaccinates more than any other developed country and has the highest infant mortality rates, Canada very close to the same numbers.

      • FIona Lynch

        agreed… it is a case of the Emperor’s clothes is it not?

      • Nick Carthus

        Everything you said here is false. Mumps and Measles were some of the top causes of death for children just 100 years ago… Ask literally any older person about polio, whooping cough, measles, etc…They all used to be real life threatening problems for children across the world, and still are where vaccines are not available.

      • Celena

        1) think about it another way: how many babies and toddlers have had these things that haven’t had a seat belt on, etc?
        2) VAERS is untrustworthy, Fallacy Man at the Logic of Science will tell you that.
        3) dose makes the poison. Also, many of these things aren’t even in vaccines
        4) We have less vaccines for each disease. Therefore they are not out there for money
        5) Measles were never nothing to worry about.

    • Jana

      Show me instances where people were injured and even killed because they used their seat belt and I’ll show you thousands upon thousands of children who have been injured and even killed because of vaccines.

    • Kerry Coyle

      Then why, when it comes to vaccines, have people NOT stopped questioning and moreover, are increasingly CHALLENGING vaccine mandates? It’s NOT due to the Wakefields and Kennedys. Its the Information Superhighway. Here, people can research the science, the statistics, the testimonials of vaccine victims and more, or just rely on their own personal vaccine injury experiences – and of course, there’s word of mouth. The Italian approach, eh? Io non parlo Italiano!!!

      • Papyr

        Yes. It’s the Internet. Where anyone can write and propagate anything, any b.s., any idiocy, any lie. And where like-minded people can congregate.
        There is everything on the Internet. There are precise pieces of scientific information. There are contradictory statements. There are outright lies. The problem is, a non-professional cannot easily tell what is true and what is a lie. It would be logical to trust those who are schooled on the subject. Before, we had to go to the library to find something out. But now we tend to read the random three results from the first Google (or worse yet, YouTube) results page and that’s it, we’ve “done our research”. We tend to believe those that are loud, we tend to believe those who scare us and we really love to think that if we don’t believe the “official” standpoint then we are smarter than others, we are not “sheeple”. Any professional who tries to tell us the truth is readily dismissed as the one who is financially involved and thus is lying. (Especially in the field of cancer treatment and vaccines… while we, the ones who are “not sheeple”, never think why is it that these medical professional are vaccinated themselves, are having their kids vaccinated, and take chemo themselves when they get cancer. Probably they are more loyal to the Big Pharma than to their own bodies and lives?)
        Internet brought us a world when everyone can think he’s a specialist on any subject. That’s what the information superhighway brought us. Not more actual specialists, mind you.

  5. Chris

    There will never be a “national debate” about immunisation. Or whether we should wear seat belts in cars, or have fences around swimming pools. The antivaxxers say ” I’m not anti vaccine ” so as to be taken seriously but then can’t help themselves and spout the usual crap from the gang of twelve: Wakefield, Tenpenny, Robert Kennedy Jr, Suzanne Humphries , the lovely Tetyana,etc. In Australia,until conscientious objection (aka belief system) was removed as an excuse for parents to deny immunisation to their children, the rate for same was 1.8 percent of families. It has since fallen and immunisation rates are rising. There will always be a fringe group who have a fixed belief system and resources are thankfully now being directed to the 5 percent of families whose kids are unimmunised due to ignorance or apathy or lack of access. Meanwhile more and more states in Australia and Around the world are mandating immunisation for attendance at child care so really the ant-vax crowd are losing the fight.

    • Lynn

      Dude : parents who don’t use vaccines are the majority Ex VAXXERS not Anti. Athey did as they were told and their baby died or got brain damaged. Please watch vaxxed. Read up on the subject.

    • Ali Bee

      Which gang are you in Chris? How about you bring yourself up to date with the American CDC booster schedule before you go off harping about the ‘unvaccinated”. I bet you $10,000 that you are actually not weight equivalent vaccinated. If you and the ‘health practitioner’ nominated are willing to subject yourselves to the same vaccines that are being mandated for children then I will happily pay up.

      • Jimima Reternun

        Just google anything, you’ll find countless resources of doctors using the same vaccines on themselves and their children.
        What do you think is the great conspiracy here? Free flu and measles shots are actually a giant conspiracy to keep the world autistic?

    • FIona Lynch

      keep believing that and you can keep sleeping at night…. sadly parents with vaccine inured children are not afforded that luxury. 24/7 care… unassisted and abused by people who write as you have done. Try finding your moral compass next time your are at your computer, instead of denigrating and attempting to marginalise those who do actually read the clinical trials, have a vaccine inured family member, or has lost someone and been told it was just a coincidence.

      • Papyr

        How many parents (per million) have a child who is vaccine injured and how many parents (per million) lost their child to an infectious disease before vaccines were introduced?
        Do you know?
        Do you have slightest idea?

        • Dank

          Papyr: The chances of a child (more specifically infant) dying from measles is around 1 in 500. The chances of a vaccines complication (founded and confirmed by scientific research, not some random person saying they felt weird or making a claim off of coincidence) is around 1 in one 1,000,000. But of course, anybody who says this is just paid by “big pharma” and you refuse their scientifically and medically studied and confirmed information. Ask your grandparents why they never see little kids with hearing aids anymore. Because the vaccines that prevent these diseases kept kids from losing their hearing from it. Why don’t kids know what polio is today? You don’t even have to rely on the science. Just look at the number of cases per year since the vaccine was introduced. That’s not coincidence. If you won’t believe real science then believe math.

  6. Lianne

    Mandate is loosing your freedom to your own body and deciding for your own children! When 95% of the children were getting the measles, there was naturally herd immunity! Acces to clean water, healthy food should be of our concern. Nature gave us free herd immunity, now vaccinating cost society incredible amounts of money which is also earned by major companies who are not concerned at all with your health, just with profit….!!! It is also the only medical procedure for healthy people and believe me no medical procedure is without risks!

    • Colin

      If by “free herd immunity” you mean killing off all the susceptible individuals… thankfully reasonable people don’t advocate for this approach in the 21st century.

      • Jana

        It’s worth noting that many of the outbreaks of disease we’ve had in this country have been in fully vaccinated areas. Vaccinated individuals are carriers of the diseases.

        • Anna

          Wrong Jana many outbreaks are from unvaccinated people who contracted the diseases, some from unvaccinated travellers bring the diseases back into the area/country

          • Kerry Coyle

            Bulldust. LAVVs (Live Attenuated Virus Vaccines) include Polio, Influenza B, MMR and a host of others. Yes, that’s LIVE VIRUS. “Attenuated” sounds good on paper, but since these are mainly RNA viruses, the mutation rate when they are reproduced in the human body is staggeringly high. They DO NOT STAY ATTENUATED. THEY MUTATE. Basically, vaccinated people are disease carriers, which means that whether or not they, themselves are affected directly by the LIVE DISEASE they are given by injection, they are the ones to whom anyone should look when there is an outbreak. There are emerging statistics and independent studies not controlled by the pharmaceutical corporations and these are increasing in number. They even appear to be exponentiating and with the Internet phenomenon, Big Pharma can no longer control the bad publicity they are getting from these studies. The victims of vaccines are numberless. There are too many of them. But the days of the vaccine are NUMBERED.

      • Snow

        We’re losing reasonable people by the hundreds day-by-day

    • John

      Nature gave people polio, where you lost ability to walk, and talk and people died. No herd immunity for polio.

      • Amy

        Hey John, Polio infections actually went undetected in the vast number of infected. There were no symptoms and no lasting effects except the lasting natural immunity in most. It’s actually only approximately 0.5% of cases that developed into any degree of immobility or paralysis and of that 0.5% only 2-5% of the children and 30% of the adults actually died. Natural herd immunity to the polio virus actually was a very real thing as the overwhelming majority of those exposed to it went on to live healthy active lives with lifelong protection against it.

        • Joseph Weil

          Then please explain Post Polio Syndrome? Polio is a virus that survives in the intestines just like influenza, and was/is often misdiagnosed as the flu.

          • Joseph Wellnot

            Do you even have a point?

            Vaccines and medication have given post-polio sufferers decades of extra life.

  7. MelodyEvans dy

    A lot of volatile passion is all I get when I see pro-vaccine or anti-vaccination comments. It’s hard to listen to someone who is yelling all the time. It automatically makes one defensive. Not very productive of either side.

    • Theora

      Whenever it comes to these, everyone is out to prove the other wrong and has no care about the middle. That’s just how life is.
      Right and Wrong
      Black and White
      Straight and Gay
      Male and Female
      Sorry to anyone I have offended, I was just making a point about these ridiculous arguments everyone gets into.

  8. Heidi de Loe

    Excellent article, thanks for the overview on cognitive and omission biases and suggestions to address through working with confirmation bias, adding narratives to statistic/ evidence driven risk communication(s) and CPS recommendations for Motivational Interviewing (MI). Have used a few of these techniques in practice and find very beneficial to the patient-HCP relationship.

    • Kathy

      If you’re serious and sincere about using narratives, be sure to listen to a few of the narratives of doctors who have educated themselves after seeing their own vaccinated patients develop regressive autism or die suddenly following routine vaccinations. Most “anti-vaxxers” were once highly motivated vaccine adherents who trusted people like you, were not given a true “informed consent,” didn’t know that the ingredients have not been safety-tested, and that there “acquired herd immunity,” even if it were possible, is completely different from the concept of natural herd immunity.

      Quoting this article – “One of the misperceptions is that people don’t get their kids immunized because they simply don’t understand,” he says. But people who don’t vaccinate are often more educated than the general public, and better off as well.”

      Spend a little time listening to a few of the thousands of narratives collected by the “We are Vaxxed” team. They are readily available on YouTube and FB. If you do that coupled with your own research at PubMed, or even the CDC, I hope you will have a broader picture than the narrow scope of this propagandist article offers.

      • FIona Lynch

        agreed… people tend to wake up once their child or themselves have been vaccine injured regrettably. Then they start to read the literature, they did not know existed and hear the testimonies of others who have suffered the same outcome. They come to appreciate the true meaning of what Informed Consent involves.

      • James

        Show me a single article on pubmed showing cases of people dying from a vaccine, or developing autism

  9. leslie moore

    Wanna learn how to talk to “US” Some honesty would help.

    The pervasive monoculture of “obey your vaccine” is dangerous and groupthink mentality that “we” can’t possibly be wrong is how every scientific and human atrocity has ever been indulged.

    Most of the general public will succumb to the dogma, however as you have mentioned it is the more affluent and educated parents who step back to critically vaccination – Let’s just look at the flu vaccine for an example as to why these individuals should not trust you – The Osterholm et al ( 2012) Lancet meta analysis revealed that flu research is poorly conducted ( only 30 studies out of 33,000) were credibly conducted and there was not a SINGLE RCT to support that vaccination for influenza reduces illness, mortality and morbidity in older adults and children under 8. The Cochrane, regarded as bullet proof resources in all other matters, have said the same for years and yet they are ignored when it comes to the flu vaccine because the discourse contrasts the groupthink.
    Healthcare workers are forcefully vaccinated for influenza when the DeSerres et al (2017) meta analysis eviscerated the garbage RCT’s that have been flogged to support this coercive facade for years. ( the Cochrane has again said the same thing for years) Children are targeted for flu vaccine campaigns despite a paucity of good evidence and yet the vaccine has behaved unpredictably in this vulnerable population. Febrile seizures saw the vaccine pulled in multiple countries. The adjuvanted vaccine of the 2009 season was a dangerous failure that left 1 in 55,000 European children with permanent brain damage. Canadian children were also afflicted with permanent disability. Sixty people received multimillion pound payouts from the British government after brain damage, most victims were children, 6 were healthcare workers. Cowling et al (2012) found flu vaccinated children had increased rhinovirus and coxsackie/echovirus

    The delicacies of our immune system are still greatly misunderstood, yet those who pound the pulpit about the absolute “safety” of the flu vaccine proceed with reckless disregard. Osterholm says “ We have to be careful about what we are intend to accomplish” The Cochrane review on vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults concluded that, “Although serious harm from vaccination may be rare it cannot be ignored and conclude that the results of their literature review discourage the utilization of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine measure.”

    The constant assurance that the “flu vaccine is absolutely safe” is irresponsible. No medication comes without sides effects. The flu vaccine has the largest Adjudicated pay out for vaccine injury in the United States with 70% of vaccine injury over a 6 month period. 37 out of 72 cases are guillan barre ( Report from the US Department of Justice )

    Since 2009 the enigma of repeat vaccination and paradoxical vaccine reactions have been described by many researchers. Skowronski described the “Canadian phenomenon” which saw H1N1 vaccination promote influenza infections. Looks like yearly vaccinations are indeed counterproductive and the serially vaccinated are at higher risk for illness.

    The flu vaccine efficacy was reported to be 80% then 60%.in reality the vaccine has not eeked about 50% in the past decade.
    A scared population can be talked into anything Flu deaths are grossly exaggerated to instill fear to the public based on faulty scientific models, one year, ALL winter deaths were counted as flu deaths ( I am not kidding, see Crowe 2012 “flu death reality check” )Influenza is a minority illness during the season and Flu deaths are likely exaggerated by as much as 10x

    I have presented a lot of information ( sorry) on the flaws of just ONE vaccine to illustrate why you will never regain credibility on this issue until you take off your own blinders that we have a gross lack of ideological diversity on the vaccine issue. If the government and our doctors would so blatantly misrepresent the value of this vaccine WHY the hell would any critically thinking parent NOT be suspicious?

    References not in order

    De Serres et al (2017) Influenza vaccination of healthcare workers Critical analysis of evidence. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0163586

    Schabas and Rua (2015) are we taking the flu shot too seriously? https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/are-we-taking-the-flu-shot-too-seriously/article22602526/?arc404=true

    Canadian Medical Journal (2015). Repeated flu shots may blunt effectiveness.
    Retrieved at http://www.cmaj.ca/content/early/2015/03/02/cmaj.109-5000.full.pdf+html
    Thomas RE, Jefferson T, Lasserson TJ.(2013). Influenza vaccination for healthcare workers who care for people aged 60 or older living in long-term care institutions. Cochrane Database Syst Rev Jul 22;7.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20166073

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23881655

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub5/pdf -healthy adults

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004876.pub3/abstract – seniors
    Cowling et al., (2012). Increased risk of non-influenza respiratory virus infections associated with receipt of inactivated influenza vaccine. Clinical Infectious Disease. doi: 10.1093/cid/cis307
 Retrieved at http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis307
    Ng A & Lai , C (2011). Effectiveness of seasonal influenza vaccination in healthcare workers: A systematic review. Journal of Hospital Infection. 79(4):279-86 Retrieved at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0035156/
    Osterholm, M. , Kelley N., Sommer A, Belongia EA. (2012) Efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccines: a systematic review and meta‐analysis. Lancet Infect Dis Jan Retrieved from http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2811%2970295-X/abstract

    Osterholm et al, Center for Infectious Disease and Practice/ Osterholm (2012) The Compelling Case for a Game-Changing Influenza Vaccine – Chapter 3 and 7 pages 54 to 60
    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/ccivi_report.pdf

    Crowe, K. (2012). Flu death reality check. CBC at http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442



      • Lynn

        Not going to work. The cat’s out of the bag. Parents who have done their own research know that the “scientific consensus” people are more than happy to risk other people’s children to the harms of vaccines. It’s a risk the “scientific”community is willing to take!!!! If your kid gets autism or some other neurological problem, that’s fine with them, I mean you can’t sue them so whatever!

        • John

          So which vaccine causes autism? Chicken pox? Polio? Hepatitis? Tetanus? All different formulas and chemicals. What causes autism?

          • eve

            You understood nothing for good!!!!! OMG

        • John

          I also love how you do your own research, that’s the funniest thing ever, you mean you googled “vaccines and autism” and found what you wanted to hear? Or did you actually do clinical studies, tested each varienr of product in a vaccine, using a double blind method and years of waiting to gather data?

          • Yulik

            There is no double blind studies on vaccines they are considered “un-ethical”

    • M. Hicks

      Bravo! What I find so interesting is that so many who question vaccines have researched, use intelligent arguments, and do not seem to be affected by the propaganda of fear. You are a case in point. On the other hand, I find most vaccine advocates using fear, marketing ploys and false information ad nauseam. Things like adverse events only happen to one in a million children or that vaccines are not very profitable. Statements with zero credibility. That says to me that one side is pouring over information searching for truth while the other side seems to be satisfied with anything that fits inside their preconceived belief system.

      Your comment was incredibly researched and intelligent. Parents deserve the truth. They are not getting it. This is why they are railing against vaccines. I haven’t heard a parent yet who mentions Andrew Wakefield as a reason for hesitancy. But they do mention a child with a vaccine injury or a family member’s child or a friend’s child. These injuries are what I believe is driving the hesitancy, which is driving the research, which is ultimately driving the decision not to vaccinate.

      • Dank

        In reality the vaccines are based on scientific and medically proven data. The anti vaccine arguments are based on pseudoscience and fear mongering.

    • Sue

      I’d love to talk to you more Leslie!

      • Leslie

        Thanks to Sue and all those who took the time to comment.
        LoL I guess the author of this article didn’t really learn how to speak to us huh? 😉

        • yushieur

          One of your sources, Crowe 2012, does not exist. Wanted to make sure I read everything.

    • Snow

      I roll my eyes at you and anyone who agrees with you.

  10. Chad Rose

    Perhaps these authors should investigate the vaccination status of those being infected with measles.
    ” The state health department spokesperson in Massachusetts, after a Harvard University mumps outbreak in 2016, said, “the infected students had all been vaccinated against mumps.” https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/04/26/harvard-mumps-outbreak-grows-cases/dLW4RTngYHl2elJivMO3LL/story.html

    Furthermore they may also wish to disclose that Pharma giant Merck is currently facing charges regarding fraudulent misrepresentation of the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine, drug company http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.ht

    This article began progressively and then descended into a concerning endorsement of sanctioning the removal of constitutional entitlements to choice

    Before we marginalize those with opposing voices concerning vaccination perhaps we should ACTUALLY listen?
    It is a matter of public record that the American Supreme Court deemed vaccines unavoidably unsafe(https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf) and as a result vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability.
    Furthermore, several vaccines such as the flu vaccine go to market without adequate testing – an unheard of practice that warrants public concern

    The following excerpt from Harvard magazine( http://harvardmagazine.com/2004/05/mercury-on-the-brain.html) details research on the impact of neurotoxins such as mercury and other related neurotoxic compounds found in some vaccines. .

    Grandjean also found that mercury could threaten children’s nervous systems well into adolescence. “What we are finding out is that mercury is very parallel to lead,” Grandjean says. “Such pollutants are particularly worrisome because, once they’ve done the damage to the developing brain, the child will have to live with that for the rest of his life.”

    A 2017 paper published in the Lancet (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/abstract )states the following updated conclusion : To control the pandemic of developmental neurotoxicity, we propose a global prevention strategy. Untested chemicals should not be presumed to be safe to brain development, and chemicals in existing use and all new chemicals must therefore be tested for developmental neurotoxicity. To coordinate these efforts and to accelerate translation of science into prevention, we propose the urgent formation of a new international clearinghouse.

    Worth thinking about ?
    Or God forbid would that make you an Antivaxer? Anyone who seeks transparency and disclosure regarding vaccines is one didn’t you know ?

    • Andrea

      Yes! And yet they write articles like this one about how to tell us to just be quiet! MAYBE SOMEONE ought to just do the actual science! Of course this will not happen while certain individuals are making truckloads of money on the way it is now.

    • Crash

      Very well said. This entire thread starting with Leslie’s points and now yours. I am not an antivaxxer, I am an ex-vaxxer. After being personally harmed and seeing our son harmed, I began researching. And that folks is what really scares everyone. Because vaccine research is a Pandora’s box that cannot be closed. Open it for yourself. Go on. I dare you. Anyone who wants to understand the research, can. If there is any actual desire to learn the truth, it is easy to find. I dare you. Open the box

      • Dank

        I did. Found a bunch of hooey.
        Andrew wakefield started your whole movement for money from a law firm and based it on a study where he used 12 children, some of whom were already sick. Then used them to perpetuate a false narrative. Ever wonder why he’s not allowed to practice medicine anymore? Ever wonder why he came out of hiding right as Vaxxed came out to promote his “measles only” vaccine? Maybe for money?

  11. Adam

    Let’s convince people of a myth so they can inject aluminum, MSG, etc. into their newborn babies on behalf of Merck, Pfizer, Baxter, and GSK’s bottom line because they just want to help people be heathy and eradicate disease along with their billions in annual profit and blank government cheques.

  12. Rich Coulter

    As long as Canada remains the only G7 country that doesn’t compensate vaccine injuries, how do you honestly expect to build trust.

    As long as there continues to be not a single study to compare overall long term overall health outcomes between only fully vaccinated and never vaccinated individuals (IOM, 2013), how can you expect parents to believe you when you lie and say vaccinating results in overall healthier adults?

  13. Kayla

    1. Parents are becoming aware that their are risks to vaccines higher then the diseases themselves. Autism is a risk if you read vaccine inserts it is written by the CDC on the insert so how it’s been debunked is mind blowing when they even claim it to Be a risk.

    2. Anti vaxxers are ex vaxxers who have witnessed their children or themselves experience an adverse reaction to these awful things.

    3. How do you know that the kids win autoimmune problems have autoimmune problems until after you’ve given the shots ?! They are injected at Day 1 of birth with no testing to see if they should even have them or are allergic to anything in them.

    4. I think it’s sad you pray on the weak to try and convince them how amazing these things are they aren’t good they don’t do what they say. 1 in 68 kids get autism that number is skyrocketing and the change to adtribute to that is the increase in vaccines … Infant mortality rate is insanely high. The flu vaccine kills something like 25,000 Canadians a year..

    Wake up people population control at its finest creating sick people for money and greed … we live in a sick twisted world if you can read grab a vaccine insert and then make informed decisions on what you want to put in your body and your kids bodies .. I choose life

    • Lindsay

      Amen sister couldnt have said it better myself.

    • Andrea

      Yes! Thank you for your comment! People need to wake up to what is happening with vaccines, and many only learn the hard way, when their children are injured.

  14. Lindsay

    The only way I will change my mind. Is when the ingredients posted on cdc’s website changes as well. My son will not be injected with mercury,aluminum,formaldehyde. I can go on. But that toxic shit has no place in his body or anyone else. Stop brainwashing and pushing your garbage on people.

    • Max

      You mean G8 country right?

      Quebec offers compensation, and the rest of Canada should follow suite with proper government.

      …also long term studies are incredibly expensive. there’s already lots of hard work that goes into making sure vaccines are safe, which is really not an easy job. I hate the anti-vaccine rhetoric because it discredits the hard work of medical professionals. its not an easy job.

  15. Ihavemedicalautnomomy

    #1, Most “anti-vaxxers” were once pro-vaccine. Then they witnessed the damage. You’re not going to change the mind of a parent of a child with vaccine injuries. Vaccine “hesitant” is just a term that doctors use to avoid calling someone an “anti-vaxxer.” The label you give people who have researched vaccines and decided not to inject their children or themselves is irrelevant. Call me anything you want, it won’t change my mind. #2, Autism is only ONE of the possible damaging effects of vaccines. Wakefield has very-little to do with why people refuse to inject known toxins into their children. That is just something ignorant pro-vaccine like to use as a scape goat instead of actually doing any research. #3, Distortions in the science? Science is facts if a fact is distorted it’s a lie. If there is a risk, then the parent should be choosing which risk is more concerning to them. That is medical autonomy. The government does not own the people. The National CHildren’s Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 says that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe and the government chose to protect the manufacturer’s, health care workers from liability. Why should anyone be forced to use a product they know is unsafe, and they are not liable for damages? #4, Herd immunity? Immune systems are for personal use only. My immune system is not going to say to the guy next to me, I see you’ve been exposed to measles. Here are some antibodies to help you out. This is basic science. Vaccinated does not mean immune. It use to take ONE measles shot to be considered “immune” to measles. At the moment they are saying it takes two, but there are so many outbreaks in vaccinated people, they are saying well, maybe it’s three. They now are giving FIVE doses of Dtap. Why? Because the vaccine is not developing immunity. In the 50’s fully vaccinated was five doses of vaccines, now it is over 70. There are over 270 vaccines being tested. How many will it take to be fully vaccinated (does not equal immune) in 10 years? #5 Real stories : #vaxxed #wedid #regret #6, Parents are NOT confused. They are learning the truth about vaccines. They aren’t being lemmings and following the previous guy off the cliff. The government does not own the people. The people have medical autonomy, the right to informed consent and the right to refuse treatment. They also have religious freedom, and vaccines are made using things that violate the personal conscience. (Aborted fetal tissues, animal tissues- pig, dog, cow, hamster, monkey, just to name a few.) #7 Trust? You want me to trust the doctor when the doctor hasn’t even studied vaccines in medical school? When he has no idea what adverse reactions to vaccines are? When he doesn’t even know what is in the vaccine he is telling me to inject my child with? When he doesn’t know how much aluminum is in the vaccine or how much is safe to inject? When he doesn’t know what Polysorbate 80 does to the BBB, or what happens when it is mixed with other toxins? When he tries to compare safety of ingestion to safety of injection? (I may be able to drink milk, but that doesn’t make it safe to inject it!) When the vaccine inserts say “…has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility.”? When I know more about vaccines than the doctor or nurse giving them, their opinion isn’t relevant.

  16. Charlene

    The polio vaccine was predicated to cause a cancer epidemic.

    Paralytic polio was suspected to be caused by a break in the soft tissue while suffering from flu like symptoms. This includes GIVING any form of injection including a vaccine.

    According to the mayo clinic many people did not know they even had polio.

    Newfoundland and Labrador has the highest vaccination rate in Canada. Our numbers actually meet herd immunity percentages. We also have the highest rate of cancer.

    The chances of dying with polio in NL in 1959 was 1 in 22,500.

    The chances of dying with cancer in NL in 2016 was 1 in 358. The chances of being diagnosed was 1 in 133.

    An “iron lung” is a respirator. It helped people breathe when they couldn’t on their own. Since we have evolved we have many types of “iron lungs”. Puffers, sleep apnea machines, home oxygen, to name a few. Even an epi pen.

    Vaccine manufacturers have stated on their actual vaccine inserts that vaccines are only studied for 42 days for adverse reactions. The vaccine is also ONLY studied against the SAME ingredients in the vaccine except the virus. This means it isn’t actually studied against an actual placebo.

    The MMR and DPTP state ON the manufactuers insert that these have not been studied for safety with regards to being injected on the same day. It is assumed to be safe. But our medical system do give them on the same day to our 12 month olds.

    The MMR has adverse reactions that include eating disorders. How many children have issues eating after they turn 1? Do you honestly think this is coincidental?

    Our health system also does not follow a proper system to ensure they are following the severe adverse reactions. Children see a public health nurse, they end up in ER or at GP office and no one questions when they last had a vaccine. ANY change in a persons health that develops after a vaccine should be reported. ESPECIALLY if it is within the 42 days! If you took a Tylenol and got sick you would question the Tylenol. Why do we not question the aluminum, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde and so on in vaccines. Not to mention they contain adjuvants which come from food sources and those food sources are sprayed with Roundup and other chemicals. Therefore vaccines are contamined. Scientists have released numbers from when all the vaccines.

    Do you think you could convince me to choose a possibility of getting cancer over getting polio with these numbers? The fact that no long term studies exist. Forget autism. I’m more worried about the number one thing killing most of our population. From our newborns to our elderly!!!!! And guess what they ALL have in common…..vaccines! Because they all come from different environments, different drinking waters, food sources, etc.

    So by the process of elimination, the ONE thing all these people do have in common is vaccines.

  17. Pat Robertson

    All I can say as a journalist you should be ashamed of this article???
    You have NOT done your homework you don’t know what you are talking about

  18. Alma Matters

    From Dr. Andrew Moulden:

    Through my extensive research and my work throughout the years, I have discovered that vaccinations are causing impaired blood flow (ischemia) to brain and body from clinically silent to death. These are strokes – across the board for all of us. I have reason to believe that all are being affected and all vaccinations ARE causing the overwhelming rise in autism, specific learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders, sudden infant death, gulf war syndrome, dementia, seizure disorders, some cancers it would appear, and much much more.

  19. tina

    “If I were to take the same schedule as my child is expected to get it would be the equivalent of me getting 400 vaccines over 18 months(120 separate injections plus the rotavirus doses)(male, 500 vaccines, around 150 separate injections plus the rotavirus doses). I believe that the more unconscionable action would be to subject my children to something I wouldn’t subject myself to.”

    Would you take the entire infant scheduele adjusted to your body weight?

    Parents pay attention. The vaccines are for profit, not for health.

    • Beverly Royce

      It’s even worse. It’s one size fits all. That 6 lb baby gets the same dose as the 200 lb man.

    • Emma

      In Australia, they are making parents vaccinate their teenage children, with the entire childhood vaccination schedule, in order to get family benefits.

    • Dank

      Why don’t people get polio anymore then? Give me one good explanation that’s medically founded.

      • Bionicmama

        Recent article announced: “Polio-like illness is on the rise with 87 possible cases
        Formal case counts can take days or weeks as doctors double-check symptoms against CDC guidelines.”
        “The patients’ symptoms have been most similar to complications of infection with certain viruses, including poliovirus, non-polio enteroviruses, adenoviruses, and West Nile virus,” the CDC says”. What are the symptoms of polio?
        Surprisingly, 95% of all individuals infected with polio have no apparent symptoms.
        Another 4%–8% of infected individuals have symp- toms of a minor, non-specific nature, such as sore throat and fever, nausea, vomiting, and other com- mon symptoms of any viral illness.
        About 1%–2% of infected individuals develop non- paralytic aseptic (viral) meningitis, with temporary stiffness of the neck, back, and/or legs. Less than 1% of all polio infections result in the classic “flaccid paralysis,” where the patient is left with permanent weakness or paralysis of legs, arms, or both.“Although most cases of polio are mild, the 1% of cases resulting in flaccid paralysis has made polio a feared disease for hundreds of years. Of people with paralytic polio, about 2%–5% of children die and up to 15%–30% of adults die.”. Also… accordind to “immunize.org” , Why was the U.S. polio immunization recom- mendation changed from OPV to IPV?
        “The change to an all-IPV schedule in the United States occurred because the few cases of polio that were occurring (8–10 per year) were caused by the OPV vaccine itself and not the wild virus. “ Based on these facts from the CDC and other credible sources, the majority of the population is to give up our rights to not get vacinnated due to less than 1% of the cases “reported” coming down with a more serious disease and out of that 1% only 2% to 5% of children die from it. The same goes for all the other diseases! So in order for that 2% to 5% of the 1%” that has contracted a more serious form of polio virus, the majority of the population have to put their health at risk (ADHD, mental health disorders, autism spectrum,cancers…….etc.)? And I’m not limiting this to the polio virus either. Do some extensive , credible, research on all the other diseases. Other than the pharmaceutical companies and their investors making trillions of dollars off of our “fear” for our health, it makes absolutely no sense. In that case, we should literally “force” everyone to eat healthy organic foods, exercise daily, eliminate the use of all toxins, cigarettes, unnessesary over the counter medicines known to cause kidney and liver problems, alcohol, eliminate automobiles, guns, knives, etc…. in order to altogether eliminate all unnecessary deaths. If governments were truly interested in an individuals health and not money , then there would be a lot of things “ eliminated” from our lives, not “added”. The more vaccines they make and force upon us, the richer they get. It is the huge companies that make billions/trillions of dollars that control every aspect of our government and almost every aspect of our lives. I’m not saying that a vaccine would never be needed. There is a time and place for everything. But if it never ends, our children, and soon adults, will be forced to be injected on a regular basis with 100’s of these toxic vaccinations. Chicken pox vaccine? Flu vaccine? What’s next? Common Cold vaccine? Pink eye vaccine? And for those who say very few have been harmed by vaccinations, open up your eyes! How many times have you brought your child into the doctors office when they were experiencing an illness or siesures etc. and the doctor asked you about the child’s vacinnations? It would probably be safe to say, “Never”.

  20. Walter

    Anyone out there studying medicine? Ask your pharma-controlled professors why I had 8 shots as a child and today children need 74 shots before age 18?

    And be sure to press him or her for the medical justification that 74 shots are required, and proven safe and effective.

    Follow-up question: why aren’t vaccines tested for carcinogenicity or mutagenicity.

    When your pharma-controlled professors can’t answer any of these questions, you’ll know we’re absolutely correct in not vaccinated our children.

  21. Walter

    Vaccine Industry Placebo-Controlled Studies Are Nothing Less Than Criminal

    Here’s proof that the vaccine industry CANNOT be trusted with your children’s lives: their safety studies don’t compare vaccines with a neutral placebo. The placebo they use contains the same ingredients suspected (known) to cause encephalitis and other health issues. So when the results are compared, the vaccine and placebo show the same results.

    If they used a true placebo, the difference would be so dramatic that the vaccine industry would have to admit they’d been poisoning children for decades.

    • Ted Kuntz

      Good work Walter. Thanks for your information and contributions to waking people up.

  22. Walter

    Directly from the doctor’s bible, the Merck Manual…

    “Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus, vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.”

    Encephalitis is the first step leading to autism. Correction: It’s the second step. The first step is vaccinating.

  23. Walter

    HERE’S HOW VACCINES BECOME MANDATORY IN THE U.S….

    Mandatory Meningitis Vaccine Bill Author Caught Red-Handed Taking $420k From Big Pharma

    State Senator Kemp Hannon, Chair of the New York Senate Health Committee, and author of the recently passed law that will require all seventh and twelfth graders in the state to get meningitis shots, has been caught with his hand in the pot, according to the New York Daily News: specifically, the pharma pot. And to no small sum, mind you. His investments in pharmaceutical and health companies is at $100,000 while it is also being alleged that he has received more than $400,000 from the same interest groups. Hannon’s investments are a direct conflict of interest and he should be charged criminally. This is an act of using your position to influence and write laws for the sole result of personal gain.

    http://realfarmacy.com/meningitis-vaccine-bribe/

    • Mack. P.

      As opposed to the father of the anti-vaccine movement Andrew Wakefield who never took any money to change the data from his study of 12 children (which is not a sufficient sample size for any real scientific study), ever, in his life.

  24. MAry

    VAccines have been declared, ‘unavoidably unsafe’ by the United States Supreme Court. This pronouncement is clear and unambiguous. If the individual components in a vaccine ( aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, glyphosate, polysorbate 80, human and animal tissue, etc) are harmful, a vaccine which is the combination of these ingredients cannot be safe.

    • Mack. P.

      I’d like to see a case brief on the subject you’re quoting here. If you could post a link to the case that’d be great, I’m just a little confused on why the Supreme Court would be ruling on the safety of an issue and not the constitutionality of it, as is their job.

  25. Walter

    If you’re still vaccinating your kids, now would be a good time to stop.

    Unvaccinated Children Have Much Lower Rates of Chronic Illness, Jackson State Study Finds
    — Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

    “The study suggests that fully vaccinated children may be trading the prevention of certain acute illnesses (measles, chicken pox, pertussis) for more chronic illnesses and neurodevelopmental disorders like ADHD and autism.”

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2251005-unvaccinated-children-have-much-lower-rates-of-chronic-illness-jackson-state-study-finds/

  26. S. Blomqvist

    Impressive piece! You all forgot to mention the payout/financial incentive that doctors receive for every fully vaccinated child. $400/child at 40-80 patients = $40,000 – $80,000 bonus.

    Also, there has NEVER been a study that compared non-vaccinated population to fully, partially and single-vaccine vaccinated (except for this recent one: https://needtoknow.news/2017/05/first-ever-peer-reviewed-study-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-children-shows-vaccinated-kids-higher-rate-sickness-470-increase-autism/ ) Why oh why? Why ever could this be? Why are vaccine makers not liable for the poison they produce? Why do they only profit? Why are vaccines tested for “safety” for such a small window of time? Why are vaccines not held to the same standards as other drugs? Why is the vaccine market exploding? Why has VAERS paid out $3.5 billion dollars in compensation in the USA for killed/damaged human beings? (Compensation paid by the people,not the pharmaceuticals.) Why were the William Thomson documents destroyed (documents that showed a startling risk for autism in African American boys with the MMR vaccine)?

    Dr. Wakefield has not been debunked. He was not anti-vax. He simply proposed a MMR non-combined vaccine. This was a threat to the vaccine industry. They went after him. Thus, doctors keep their mouths closed. Mercury is not safe in any amount, to inject into a body, let alone into a newborn. You know this.

    Why are pregnant women not supposed to eat tuna (loaded with mercury), but they can supposedly safely be injected with it, plus numerous other toxins, diseased animal cells, aborted (dissective live) fetal cells, antibiotics, etc.etc.? There are a slew of thoughtfully made documentaries that have recently been released that address much of the fiction published in this piece. Also, many, many books, researched at the CDC, by highly educated people, such as doctors who had the ovaries/balls to step out and address the current holocaust, or the current vaccine schedule.

    Beautiful load of propaganda, this piece. And yes, I’m one of those educated parents. Keep up the great work for the mighty pharmaceuticals! They’re the ones getting rich! Your children bear the toxic load and brain damage of this medical holocaust.

    Would any of the authors of this piece buy a car from a company that offered absolutely no guarantee? Warrantee? Would you all want to buy a car from a company that had been proven to produce defective vehicles, but now you were required by law to buy a life-threatening car where the maker had absolutely no liability? No of course not! Would you force your mother, father, sister, friend, uncle, finance to buy a car that was from a crooked car dealer, where they would have no rights after the sale?

    How much were you all paid to write this piece? How do you feel about your contribution to humanity? Would the authors of this piece voluntarily inject themselves with a “catchup” vaccine schedule (as they missed the 2017 vaccine schedule as it is currently proposed for kids)? Would you all drink formaldehyde, mercury, aborted fetal cells, mercury, aluminum, and the many, many other ingredients in a single vaccine? Would you INGEST it, or INJECT it? Please do so, then write a follow up piece sharing your results with the public.

    The only entity who wins in the vaccine equation is the vaccine maker, the pharmaceuticals (who will be selling their drugs to a sick population for life), and the doctors, who receive their bonus. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry… and it’s growing! The children of planet earth are the ones who lose, and you three are not helping.

    Why does 1 in 56 children now have autism? Better diagnosis? Please! Why do older people not have autism? Oh, they received 1-3 vaccines, not 50+! The USA has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world for a developed country. It also has the highest rate of vaccinations. It also is a country that promotes fear at every step. People are locked away in their sad little lives, listening to the TV, overwhelmed with the load of bull they daily have to process.

    Have any of you actually read a vaccine insert? I suggest you do so immediately! It’s not too late to change the direction of your life’s work, Milne, Caulfield, Tepper. Grow a pair and start thinking for yourselves. Find a better way to make a living than prostituting yourselves out for an industry that does not give two f***ks about you. I dare you to go to whoever paid you to write this piece and ask for the study that shows vaccines are 100% safe. How fast do you think you’ll be out of a paycheck?

    If you want to help people, then go for it. Earn your dollars from a non-pharmaceutical. Propose long, thorough studies on vaccines. Campaign to get dead babies, toxic metals, diseased animal cells, and the other sludge out of vaccines. Offer yourselves as test subjects if you must. And please, get a grip about your dream of a world dictatorship where three nitwits fantasize about no one having the legal right to their own body sovereignty! Unbelievable! Or better yet, channel your literary energies into futuristic romance novels with a vaccine slant. There is undoubtedly a market for it. It could start like this:

    2020 Was HOT
    “It was the year 2020. Franco had recently been fully vaccinated. He felt so hot. He loved to think about the nanoparticles of heavy metals adhered to his cells. In fact, he felt so hot he just had to have Celine, today. Celine, who had also recently been fully vaccinated, was, like Franco, allowed to go to school. Thus, they had both been educated.
    Their attraction was strong. They would play doctor. Sometimes, Franco would pretend he was the one giving the vaccines. Other times, it was Celine. They really got off on this. Of course, they had both received the vaccine to protect against imagination, so they often just sat around playing doctor, over and over.
    “Are you current on your vaccines?” Celine would whisper coyly. Franco would stare in his dead-eyed way at her, feeling things he did not know how to express. So he’d just look out the window. Sometimes a drop of saliva would drip out of his open mouth.
    “Oh, there, there,” Celine would coo. (She had the same problem too, but not as badly.)
    Sometimes a scientist would stop by their house and check to make sure they were playing doctor right. Because how could anyone know how to do anything without an industry expert to consult?”

    • Kerry Coyle

      Beautifully written. Many important issues succinctly broached with such eloquence that I’m actually a bit jealous.

  27. Jasna

    How does Herd immunity work, if we vaccinate only kids? Kids are only % of the herd. Also, since most vaccines are not 100% effective.. Even if everyone gets vaccinated(includibg adults) do we have that Herd Immunity? What is the percent for Herd Immunity? (92%, 96%, or 98%)
    Could anyone provide me information about study/studies ( all) that prove the existence of Herd immunity. I just want to see how we got these data

    • Mack. P.

      I’d check out the CDCs page on herd immunity, they have some great information and links to studies and papers covering Herd Immunity. Here’s a link to the page that has some of the information: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm , the header “Vaccines don’t just protect yourself.” covers the topic you want

  28. Ted Kuntz

    What the vaccine industry hasn’t taken into consideration is that parents are waking up to the harm that is being done to their children. Parents whose children have been permanently harmed or killed by vaccines are refusing to be coerced into subjecting their children to more vaccines. They are “mad as hell and not taking it anymore”.

    These same parents are refusing to be intimidated into silence by a captured and compliant media. The chants of “correlation does not equal causation” mean little when your once healthy child is experiencing uncontrolled seizures or requires 24-hour care for the rest of his or her life.

    The outcome of this grand uncontrolled experiment is not in doubt. The blind faith and unearned trust in the vaccine paradigm and its high priests will come to a sudden and dramatic end. The vaccine industry will collapse under the weight of its own fraud, immorality and callous disregard.

    The only question is how many more children will be injured or die before the awareness is substantive enough to cause this teetering structure to fall.

  29. Nelda

    Families alone hold all the risk and the responsibility in regard to vaccine injury. Everybody else goes to the bank. Parental concerns deserve to be listened to and respected. Parents of vaccine injured children are not ‘anti-vaxxers’ they are ‘ex-vaxxers’ and they will never deny their own personal experience. When it happens to you, the risk is 100%.

    Informed consent is written into Canadian law and as such, the subject of vaccine safety is still an open conversation. Up to now, parents (as well as most medical personnel) were not educated enough to recognize the various signs of vaccine injury. This omission of risk is a serious lack of ‘vaccine awareness’.

    In the present day climate of fear mongering, bullying and coercion regarding vaccines; our citizens personal health is being reduced to a one-size-fits-all check-list on a bureaucrat’s clip board. The term Anti-Vax is being used to describe essentially, anyone who gives themselves permission to make a decision; for themselves, for their children about anything on that checklist. To allude to Voltaire; why are we not allowed to criticise?

  30. Ali Bee

    Where is the peer reviewed research that shows 90% of scientists agree that vaccines are safe ? Subtle spin is still spin. Which scientists does this actually refer too. How was this magic figure of 90 % derived ? Look below the surface of who pays for the research and who owns the media that does most of the scaremongering and cherry picking regarding ‘outbreaks’ . The full facts surrounding the outbreaks and the constantly moving ‘herd immunity’ myth that is purported to be fact are as unscientific as the ‘healthy smoking’ spin that the same marketing people used to use. How about you start researching the actual adverse reactions data and recent court cases and you may smell a change in this 90 percent of scientists agree that vaccines are safe rotting carcass.

    • Mack. P.

      In a statistical analysis there’s this thing called a confidence interval. The most common confidence level used in statistical analysis of data is the 90% confidence interval. In the conclusion of the original scientific paper this data was pulled from the was probably a blurb that went along the lines of “this interval/data was calculated using a method that produces the accurate representation of the population 90 of 100 times”.

  31. Jaya

    I’m so sad that I had seizures all day after a vaccine when I was a baby. The doctors wouldn’t even see me to try to stop the seizures. They told my mom it was a normal reaction and she shouldn’t worry. Now as an adult I have to always have a caretaker and I can barely remember my years with my children. How can people act like it’s just so obvious we must somehow convince skeptics that vaccines are safe? How could you ever convince people like me? And there are no records of my case because they didn’t want there to be any so they wouldn’t even help me!

  32. Kerry Coyle

    You won’t be posting this, because you’re not honest enough. You’re a bunch of ecopolitically motivated control freaks and you should be locked up.

    VACCINES DISEASES IN SYRINGES, THEY ARE A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND SO ARE YOU. THEY CAUSE MORE DISEASE THAN THEY PREVENT.

    1% to 3% antivaxxers? I’ve got news for you. That figure is rapidly growing and will continue to exponentiate. People are getting wiser. Eventually, you won’t be able to sell a vaccine to a mangy dog and it cannot happen soon enough.

    NOW EXAMINE THESE COMPONENTS:
    1. Live virus – attenuated??? Attenuated virus vaccines, especially RNA types, DO NOT STAY ATTENUATED. THEY MUTATE.
    2. Mercury.
    3. Aluminium.
    4. Nagalase.
    5. NAGA.

    SHOVE YOUR STINKING VACCINES IN THE FURNACE.

    • Mack. P.

      How about you list the actual chemical compounds of the components that your listing because that has a hell of a lot of impact on how they function in a solution. Fish has mercury in it, to be specific, methyl mercury (which is the deadly kind). The non-lethal mercury compound (ethyl mercury) is what is used as a preservative in vaccines. Aluminum, which is already present in your lungs, brain, kidneys, liver, and thyroid is necessary to keep these organs running smoothly. Nagalase is a naturally occurring enzyme in the human body that plays a roll in breaking down and transforming sugars into useful components for our bodies. NAGA is the abbreviation for Nagalase.

  33. Linda

    Hi – the people who reject vaccines are the informed ones, who know the real truth and have taken the time to read the real research. Sadly the majority of people listen to the media and propaganda. This article is just another example of the pure ignorance regarding the subject of vaccines. Dr. Wakefield was absolutely dessimated and lost his licence for telling the truth. Here is a link to read about what the real truth regarding this courageous doctor:
    http://ahrp.org/laffaire-wakefield-shades-of-dreyfus-bmjs-descent-into-tabloid-science/

    Go to this link to read some additional studies regarding vaccines:
    https://www.rnforchoice.com/single-post/2015/11/18/SHOW-US-YOUR-EVIDENCE

    I am a retired RN and have seen how indocrinated the medical profession is re vaccines. I have asked pharmacists if they know what are in vaccines and many did not know. Unreal!! I have heard of nurses and doctors who also know the real truth about the dangers of vaccines, but are afraid to speak out because they may lose their licence. It is unreal how pharma has such a strong hold on society. We need to fight back and not give up, as our kids lives are at stake!!

    Go to http://www.vaccinechoicecanada.com They have a huge amount of great information, along with many articles, studies videos, etc. It is a fantastic site. You can also become a member for $35 (optional) per year. It is the best $35 I have ever spent, as the information they provide is truly amazing.

    • Mack. P.

      You do realize that Wakefield had his medical licence revoked for more than just his research on vaccines, right? He A. was receiving money from lawyers of the UK Legal Aid Fund who deliberately wanted to present vaccines as unsafe, he was payed over £400,000 to falsify his research. B. on top of being payed to falsify his data Wakefeild had also had filed for a patent for his own MMR vaccine. C. he payed children at his sons birthday party for blood samples(which is enough to have a medical licence revoked without the other controversies committed by Wakefield).

      • Lucy

        Wakefield is not relevent. 25 years on, and people are not vaccinating because children are becoming sick and injured, with long-term health problems following vaccination. Those cases are deliberately not recorded. In one case I know of personally, the child had an anaphylactic reaction *in the surgery* immediately following vaccination, and had to be resuscitated. The doctors then turned to the mother and told her that the shock wasn’t due to the vaccine. Turned round and gaslighted her. Just like that. Even when you do have your vaccine reaction reported, there’s no followup in the reporting mechanism for these kids.

        There has been no standardized, randomized double-blind trials of the current vaccine regimen. Individual vaccines, yes. But the entire schedule has never been tested, and there has been no follow-up. Every time I ask for this, I get a fudged answer.

        At the back of this abusive schedule is money—pure and simple. More money for industry shareholders.

        And the judge who withdrew the Legal Aid funding from families suing over the MMR in the 1990s? His brother sat on the board of directors for Glaxo.

        The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and parents who refuse vaccines are more likely to have a high level of education, and scientific qualifications, than those who do not. Rather than rant on about ‘cognitive dissonance’ and ‘how do we gaslight educated people, tell us what to do, Medical Industrial Complex! They’re asking questions we can’t answer!’ adopt a safe schedule and stop poisoning these kids.

  34. R.Miller

    OMG . Herd immunity really if you’re vaccinated and immune why would you be worried about unvaccinated children in the school system your article has opened my eyes to the corruption from within the government and medical system. And why is it we can get adjuvant free vaccinations for our pets but not for our children. Mandatory vaccinations is raising a big red flag for me saying there’s definitely something wrong with this. If you want to build trust you’re definitely going the wrong way about it anything that is mandated by the government or the medical system should be question with extreme scrutiny. This is more question of Rights and Freedoms then of Health and well-being thank you for opening my eyes to the tyranny of the vaccination industry.

    • Mack. P.

      First off, vaccines are not 100% effective, there is a reason that any virus that can be vaccinated against is referred to a vaccine-preventable disease. Second of all, there are people who cannot be vaccinated due to medical concerns such as allergies to components of the vaccine, age(there is no vaccine for anyone under 6 months of age), and immune system status(i.e. cancer patients, those with AIDS or HIV, or other immune compromising diseases) by vaccinating oneself and ones children one protects those who cannot be vaccinated by aiding in herd immunity which requires at least a 90% vaccination rate to be effective in preventing outbreaks. Thirdly, you can, in fact, get adjuvant free vaccines for humans, however, they’re not particularly popular because the purpose of adjuvant is to enhance a persons immune response. Because your medical decisions regarding vaccines do not only impact you, but also anyone you come into contact with and their families, mandates made by the government, backed by the medical system, should be respected.

  35. Williams Ed

    Anti backers should be prosecuted for endangering the welfare not only of their children, but that of other children as well.

  36. Mary Orfali

    How can I respond in a calm effective way to an acquaintance FB posting: “I was just in our pediatrician’s waiting room where I saw a 13 yr old boy have a seizure while he was waiting his ten minutes before leaving after having had a vaccination. He and his dad were laughing about sneaking out without waiting when it happened. I have never blamed vaccinations for David’s autism but I am very leery of them. I have no doubt that this reaction never gets reported.”

    Followed with a comment: ” After learning in class about potential problems of HPV and researching along with my husband (who has a PhD in Biophysics), our older daughter skipped this vaccine…too many potential problems and didn’t inoculate for all types of the virus. So in other words, if you are exposed to HPV, the vaccine might not even address the strain you were exposed to (but unfortunately you may have to deal with the side effects from the vaccine). Looks like an unnecessary vaccine being pushed on us. Our family’s alternative—work to keep our immune system strong.”

    I’d love a 2-3 sentence comment.

  37. P. Macdonald

    Let the Anti Vaxers gave their way. If the are right fine. If no natural selection will take its course.

  38. Diane

    We all have the benefit of living in a largely immunized society. I believe most anti-vaccine proponents, even the most self-righteous and disdainful, would think differently if there was an outbreak of full blown small pox among the unvaccinated, or if polio were to return to active threat status. We haven’t experienced that, thanks to vaccines. I realize I just opened myself up to mockery from the most rabid antivaxxers on this thread. I’m “immune” so don’t bother.

  39. Jonathan Beedell

    this is a typical post on a FB thread about vaccines. people worried abot what the ingredients in vaccines are etc :
    How do I counter this ? What are the contra facts here to these assertions ?
    e.g. : ” I’m not for the vaccines made by big pharma and they are the only options, they are full of crap and making some kids disabled on receiving them. I do wish people having these arguments would see that both sides are right, the only problem is how the vaccines are made, if we had safe vaccines then i think we’d all be on board with herd immunity and vaccination “. …. and stuff like .. ” I’m not for the vaccines made by big pharma and they are the only options, they are full of crap and making some kids disabled on receiving them. I do wish people having these arguments would see that both sides are right, the only problem is how the vaccines are made, if we had safe vaccines then i think we’d all be on board with herd immunity and vaccination. “

  40. Adrian smith

    The fact is that vaccines are not effective, they only slightly reduce the odds of catching a disease, The main reason for the decline of these diseases is better hygiene practices and poeple being more careful in there day to day lives.

  41. Ha Ha

    Nope. Read the inserts. Never injecting my kids with metals. Sorry, pharma! 🙂

    • Laura sCHMIT

      If you are referring to aluminum, you consume more aluminum in foods than you do in vaccines.

  42. WhyIsThisAThing

    I vaccinated my cat the other day. Please vaccinate your children. Metals arent harmful to the body. We have metals in our systems already.

  43. Janie

    Wow this is so stupid! How about u all do the research !start with Dr Tenpenny Dr Suzzane Humpries Dr John Bergman is a good start! There isnt anything healthy in any vaccine! I’ve been researching for 8 urs now my Chiropractor took 5 yrs of pharmacy n decided she didn’t want to kill but heal! She got me off over adoz meds n replaced with herbs n supplements the meds were killing me! Have auto immune from one flu shot yrs ago have a daughter injured from vaccines n two grandkids so there’s isn’t one thing u can say to ever convince me pumping deadly chemicals into a small. Child will promote health ! WAKE UP!

  44. Dr Jane Fallow phd

    The author of this article clearly has no idea of the dangers of vaccination. Alongside the fact that they dont work AND create MORE infection via shedding, who should give their baby formaldehyde, alluminium, embrotic cells, other animal DNA, and all manner of poisons known to cause harm. This site should be closed down

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