Hey Canada, let’s stop the homeopathy lie


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  1. Juan Palacio

    The abscence of proof that Homeopathy works does not proof that it doesn’t… in other words: how could you test an out-of-the-usual-dimensions therapy through conventional means???

    • Colin

      You can test any therapy using conventional means. It’s not rocket science. Give X sick people the therapy, give X people a placebo, and use some form of statistical analysis to determine if there’s a significant difference. Even if the therapy were magic, a properly designed experiment would show that it’s beneficial, which has not happened in the case of homeopathic remedies.

      • Dr. Nancy Malik

        Null hypothesis is presumed to be true until statistical evidence nullifies it. Use either probability-value or Odds Ratio. Both are complimentary of each other.

      • Dr. Nancy Malik

        Out of 164 high quality papers published between 1950-2011 (inclusive) on RCT in 89 medical conditions
        1. 137 are placebo-controlled & 27 other-than-placebo controlled studies
        2. 71 (43%) papers reported +ve findings, 9 (6%) were negative; 80 (49%) were non-conclusive; 4 (2%) contained non-extractable data.
        3. Out of 137 placebo-controlled studies, 41 are on individualised homeopathy and 96 on non-individualised homeopathy
        4. In 32 out of 89 disease conditions, there has been replicated research (2 or more RCT).
        5. In 22 out of 32 disease conditions, the results of replicated research were statistically significant.

        Check for 168 full text papers at http://drnancymalik.wordpress.com/article/scientific-research-in-homeopathy/

    • Hawley

      Studies are performed on everything from chemo therapies to blueberry juice. There is always a comparison to no treatment or best known treatments or both. There is no lack of proof, there is very clear findings that show these products do NOTHING, and using them in place of effective treatment is putting peoples’ health at risk

    • Loud

      You can test based on the effectiveness of what it is supposed to do. Homeopathy doesn’t work in most cases using proper scientific methods to measure it.

  2. Bruce

    Everyone should post this article to their MP’s facebook page!

  3. Tammy

    Who funded this article? Which lobby group made this happen? Could it possibly be one or many of the big pharma companies?

    Like drug companies claiming a drug works, only to find out later, the drugs side effects have worsened an individuals health, some people in homeopathy make false claims too.

    Drugs were initially developed from herbology and homeopathic remedies.

    This is clearly a financially based argument.

    • Jason

      ^ This comment is being funded by big homeopathy. Nobody listen to this person, she’s in the pocket of the ginseng farmers association.

      That was a joke. This next part is serious: you should be more worried about homeopaths trying to profit off your worry than pharma companies. The pharma companies at least have to be able to prove their products work before they sell it. Natural/Homeopathic companies don’t have to do this.

      As for the second statement, that drugs are initially developed from herbology and homeopathic remedies, you’re half right. Plants can be medicine, yes, but homepathy is not. Once herb-based remedies have been tested, and have been found to have a beneficial effect, they’re just called “medicines.” Doctors stop calling them “alternative therapies” and they just become therapies. The key step is testing; homeopathic remedies are NOT remedies, because they consistently fail the testing phase.

    • zet1

      The lobby advocacy group is called pseudoskeptics sect.

      USA:
      -Comitte for Skeptikal Investigation (before CSICOP)
      -False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF)
      -Quackwatch lobby
      -McArthur Foundation
      -Center for Inquiry

      India:
      -Mumbai Rationalist’s Association

      UK
      -Nightingale Collaboration
      -Sense About Science

      Germany
      -GWUP

      Chilean
      -AECH

      Mexico
      -SOMIE

      Australia
      -Friends of Science

      Cuba:
      -Rationalist group

      Argentina:
      -Círculo Escéptico Argentino
      -Círculo Escéptico Argentino Posadas

      Former Lobby blogs
      -Science 2.0
      -Genetic Literacy
      -Science Based Medicine
      -Edzard Ernst blog
      -Zeno’s blog (Alan Henness blog)

      External
      a) USA
      The Economist

      b) UK
      The Guardian
      Spector Health

      c) Spain
      El País
      ValenciaPlaza
      Redacción Médica

      d) Mexico
      Milenio

  4. Harman

    I agree that there is compelling evidence that homeopathy does not work any better than a placebo. However if you are able to cure/alleviate something with a placebo, why do for a drug therapy? We always look for nondrug measures to treat something minor, we don’t get antivirals for a common cold.

    I am leaving my biases aside and presenting a fair point. I’d love to hear your views on it!

    • Étienne

      The worries here are not about someone feeling a bit sick from a cold and ingesting something thats does only a placebo effect, the person will feel better and everyone is happy (especialy the homeopath who sell sugary water to people seeking help without telling them its been proven to do nothing except make them feel better, say like water and sugar mixed at home); the real issue is for people who have illness that could be aviated or cured with known to work therapy and are targeted by alternative medecine pratictioner who don’t have their patients health in mind but their wallets. These people put their trust in the hand of those pseudotherapists and are failed, without any repercussion from anyone, because homeopath don’t have a regulatory body to make them accountable of their action, they don’t have to tell the gouverment that their patient who had cancer just died of neglect. And why don’t they have a redulatory body? Because if you test homeopathy, it failes everytime.

      also, any illness that could of been cured or symptoms alleviate with a placebo and no medecine anyhow does indeed need not be treated with medecine as a responsable health pratictioner would suggest. It also implied that a good lemon tea, a hot bath and rest would work as well as the placebo. There is no need for people to give away their money for an illusion of care.

      Hope this will help you!
      With all respect,
      Étienne

  5. Dr. Marilyn Marshall

    Thanks for this excellent post about homeopathy, and for your support for evidence based practice!

    • Dani

      You’re full of crap too, Marilyn.

  6. Christa

    My son never once cried from teething and I gave him no medical pain killers, only Boiron homeopathy ampoules. I’m a chemist, but it doesn’t make me narrow minded. I tried it. It worked. Likewise with their flu remedies. I don’t get why others have this vitriolic hatred for some people using what works for them.
    Pharmaceuticals harm lots of people. Homeopathy does not. What is your motive?

    • Jason

      Here are 400 cases where homeopathy harmed people…

      That took me 8 seconds of googling. Additionally, many insurance plans cover homeopathy, despite no evidence that it works. This means that you’re paying more in many cases for supplementary health insurance than you need to be. That’s also a harm, especially when taken in aggregate. That’s insurance coverage that could be going to evidence-based treatments that actually work.

      • Dani

        Jason, you keep telling yourself that and see how you make out. Cheers!!

    • Gillian

      My four children also never cried from teething and I have the absolutely nothing – I tried it and it worked- it’s a miracle

  7. Dr. Nancy Malik

    The researchers and scientists all over the world are trying to figure out how ‘super-Avogadro dilutions’ in homeopathy which contains extremely low concentration of active ingredients are able to stimulate biological activity (immunological and inflammatory reactivity) and pathways and restore the homeostatic mechanism?

    Homeopathy is wholistic medicine. It agrees with the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Homeopathic medicine is for the patient/sick person/individual not just for the disease

    • zet1

      I agree, Edzard Ernst is a big hoax and fraud. Ernst was catched in the act!

      -Ernst is not a trained homeopath. He lied in a British Medical Journal review.
      -Ernst change the assumptions about of evidence, this is called the falacy of goal post.
      -Ernst is the classical “spy”. When he came in the homeopathic circles, was a loudly member of the James Randi Foundation (part of prodeophilia False Memory Syndrome Foundation lobby group). In 2011 was awarded with CSICOP prize, in 2015 was awarded with “Maddox prize” in collaboration of Nature Publishing Group and the UK lobby Sense About Science, pro lobby GMO and Big Sugar corporation. The big media promoted the Ernst viewpoints in strange manner, this media includes The Telegraph, The Guardian, Spectator Health and ElPaís.

      More information:
      http://powerbase.info/index.php/Sense_About_Science

      About of James Randi paedophile trust:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17521989
      http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15327019eb0802_4?journalCode=hebh20

  8. Elizabeth

    I am tired of hearing the term “evidence based” research as being the backbone of what I should take for my illnesses. As a sufferer of Lyme Disease, I’m well aware of how the “evidence” can be skued and presented to “fit” the presenter’s objectives. In the case of Lyme, a vaccine that was supposedly researched and tested in advance was offered to the general population in the early 90s and very quickly removed because it caused more harm than good and one of the main researchers who set the guidelines for treating Lyme disease had then joined forces with a company who developed a test for lyme and was about to launch. Coincidence, I think not!

    Medical researchers and Dr’s are pawns (all be it, in the medical field, well paid pawns) in the game of greed played by those tied to big pharma. Much research is not made public because it doesn’t fit pharmas or the powerful organizations such as AMMI and IDSA and CDC plans.

    In the end, getting well, whether prescribed, drugs or naturopathic remedies is all a crap shoot. That was pretty much proven for me, two weeks ago, when my brother in law, was brought into hospital and diagnosed with an aggressive lymphoma. 11 expert medical consults were brought in, and, as it turned out 4 groups all had different ideas on what to do….each could cite their own reasons based on their evidence based research. My brother in law died 8 days later…so much for the experts and their research.

    In the end, I am not tied to homeopathic remedies any more than I am for medical remedies. Like I said, its a crap shoot so I find, for me, and what I encourage the general public to do, is do their own research, do their homework and pick what they believe is best for them whether it be a medical solution or homeopathic. The end result may turn out to be good, bad or indifferent, but, at least, they wont be following blindly like sheep, those who really are only in it for the money.

    • Shonda

      I totally agree. There is so much coming out now that we all should question “evidence based” research as it is so skewed and presented in a way that isn’t accurate. You can make just about any study show what you want. I don’t use homeopathy but I really struggle with this push to regulate and take away the choices that the public want. Big pharma and conventional medicine is not and shouldn’t be the only option for the public. I personally am getting more and more nervous with the controlling “big brothers” out there whose main purpose is to make money.
      Just be careful who you trust on either end of the spectrum

      • Dani

        Shonda,
        I agree with you. So much of the ‘evidence’ is bought by the big pharmaceutical companies. This is scary as they are, as you say, only interested in money. They are getting to be like the tobacco companies were in the 60’s and 70’s with not a pretty picture shaping up in the distance.

  9. marla macphee

    Living in a world of “fadulous” science I think it very hard to tell the difference between legitimate research, purchased research and actual scientific (peer reviewed, reproducible results by non biased parties) is becoming more and more difficult. I think absolutely these should be label appropriately, that doesn’t mean all Naturopathy is fake, unhelpful or bad, if it makes you feel better do it so long as it is with full disclosure and consent who am I to judge. Most people are not like me I check how many time something has been researched, what was the sample size, who did it consist of and if the results were consistent and reproduced by other researchers.

  10. Nelda

    In this article, we have one man’s point of view bashing our right to choose; suggesting that you and I, haven’t the intelligence to research our way to resourced basic self-care. I am not intending to bash the conventional medical system, or promote homeopathy, but like any existing healing knowledge; each has its moments of brilliance and moments of limitation

    Homeopathic remedies have been part of our global historical legacy for over two hundred years; botanical remedies for hundreds of years. If you are Aboriginal, Asian, or use Traditional Chinese Medicine, then you have a proven legacy of thousands of years of study and use. The real truth about healing is that our body is designed to heal itself. There are countless ways and means under the sun to support the body’s healing efforts; all of them having value under the right circumstances. With that in mind, when shopping for any product or service, I claim the right to choose what works best for me.

    • zet1

      Yes, I agree. The pseudo skeptic (CSICIOP) pro paedophilia (False Syndrome Memory Foundation) and pro herbicides (Genetic Literary and Science 2.0) international lobbies want block all type of research, funding and knowledge of homeopathy.

    • Dani

      Point well made.
      Does anyone wonder why some remedies has lasted through the decades and beyond? No they don’t because they can’t explain that something works without the science bias. Sometimes a remedy has many natural properties that are actually good for the body and creates no side effect.
      Start ingesting the crap they call ‘scientifically proven for efficacy’ and we get sick!!

    • Dani

      Nelda,
      Such a great post. You are so right!!
      Of course, someone would argue if science was not there to validate the claims of the remedies used for hundreds of years, it must be mystical.
      I’m with you . . . We must fight for our right to choose and not let the scientist deceive us with their addictive bad drugs.

  11. zet1

    “Homeopathy, a practice meant to treat disease symptoms through non-existent doses of substances that (allegedly) produce similar symptoms,”

    False, tipically the OTC homeopathic drugs are based on low dilutions below the Avogadro number. As example, the low decimal potencies as 1X, 3X or 6X may contain the original substante in minimal quantities:

    1X = 1/10
    3X = 1/1000
    6X = 1/1000000

    In the case of super avogadro dilutions, some physicochemical evidence reveals alteration in structure or water-ethanol homeopathic dilutions, under controled conditions. Examples:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1475491615000624
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167732215312277

    Then, the “implausibility” of superavogadro dilutions is a tipycal propaganda based on the web opinions of pseudo-skeptics lobby groups.

  12. Zap

    While you’re at it, add the yearly flu shot to this list.
    The flu shot has been proven as ineffective as placebo several times already, yet quacks still offer it up, year after year.

  13. judy scopelleti

    While you are at it, ban all chemicals we are convinced to inject into our bodies. Chlorine, flouride… bla bla bla. The point is the ‘ban all homeopathy’ as it doesn’t work also applies to so-called mainstream medicine..

  14. zetetic

    “Homeopathy doesn’t work and there is no way it could work, at least beyond producing a placebo effect”

    Ironically Timothy Caulfield was a second author of the review about of bias against homeopathy. In the review Caulfield
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1177924/

    ‘We found only 30% of those articles published in CAM journals presented negative findings, whereas over twice that amount were published in traditional journals. These results suggest a publication bias against homeopathy exists in mainstream journal’

    Now, Caulfield show the same bias in the mainstream media with Evience Based Pseudoskepticism.

  15. UK Homeopathy Regulation

    Do Canadian consumers understand what homeopathy is? It’s a vitalistic belief that posits that invisible, intangible forces called “miasms” cause disturbances in an invisible, intangible “vital force” which leads to physical symptoms. And the remedies contain mystical spiritual energies that bring about healing. I could go on.

    Individual homeopaths and manufacturers of homeopathic medicines rarely mention the mystical aspects of homeopathy. They mislead the public as a result.

    • Dani

      You must be taking some kind of prescription drug to come to this kind of conclusion you sicko scientist. Drugs and science are only money making schemes, but seldom give good health results.

  16. Dani

    I would say there is a far greater deception going on with science than there is with homeopathy. I have not taken a single prescription drug since the ‘science’ of getting me well, nearly killed me 36 years ago. I am perfectly healthy and free of any drug addictions because I choose to live a life with preventative care, using homeopathy.
    I don’t believe in vaccinations! It is all bogus. “Science” has far too many side effects which only results in the use of more drugs to counter the side effects.
    Keep your science to yourself and let me trust my homeopath, you crook you!!!

  17. David

    You are so far off base, there are many homeopathic products that work. One example is arnica. It is a topical cream for bruises, sore muscles etc…. Recently after a sports injury I applied this and it has amazing results.

    Most sheep like the author of this article will go out and buy some chemical &^#@! storm cream made from big pharma.

    One of the problems with Homeopathy is it is not being used correctly, it needs to added to water to work more effectively and in certain doses.

    It is a huge conflict of interest that big pharma now funds 75% of Health Care Canada’s budget and the media we are getting is so biased like this guys article as well many natural remedies are being banned by health Canada which really means big phama is threatened.

    Don’t be a sheep Timothy and are you being funded through big pharma?

    Flu shots another scam, how many vaccines are they trying to shove down our throats – media and health Canada/big pharma.

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