Hospital policies put the lives of people who inject drugs at risk, say experts

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  • Ryan Roberts says:

    Wow. so my name is Ryan. I am 26. I am also a chronic IV Drug User almost identical to how you started this arrivals. Herion is Also my drug of choice. My situation is a little different on how I developed a life-threatening infection. I’m actually laying in my hospital bed now. I shattered both my heelbones earlier while in jail from jumping off the top tier because I was going thru such severe withdrawals. My mind was so mangled with anxiety, depression, fear, loneliness, hopelessness, and paranoia because I was 8 hours away from where I live which is under an interstate bridge across from a homeless shelter. I’ve been there going on 9 years now. So yeah I jumped 22 feet onto a concrete floor thinking maybe this will either end it or something just make the withdrawals go away. So I ended up in the hospital while incarcerated with two shattered heelbones oh and did I mention major withdrawals. I use a the very least a gram of pretty potent heroin a day. I was there 37 days and the first night they had me on IV morphine which didn’t help anywAy but they took me off the next day and gave me oral tablets of Dilaudid every 4 hours but it was like taking a low milligram Tylenol for me. So I sat there 2 weeks in agonising pain from my heels and withdrawals before they could perform surgery due to swelling well I can say this by the time the surgery was done well about a week after I felt okay as far as withdrawals but I was still in tons of pain from surgery and my tolerance didn’t go away like my withdrawals did so the dilaudid did nothing the whole time and when I got back to the jail I sat in the infirmary in isolation with only Tylenol for pain. So.. talk about adding to my mental health situation. Anyway I got released was able to get back to my homelessness but I still had my stitches In and in a wheelchair. Well I got back Intp my daily habit and just used heroin to numb the pain next thing I know it’s 2 months Down the road I’m already back up to about a gram a day. But due to dirtiness that comes with being homeless my right foot where the stitches were STILL in got severely infected because well I just waited and waited until like u said it was to unbearable to take anymore and I came to the hospital luckily this time I am not in jail and am my hometown so I have connections and ways to satisfy my addiction. Such as having friends and family bring me syringes and heroin under the radar. I almost lost my foot tho. They had to take all the hardware that was just put in a couple months ago screws plates all that. But I still have 2 weeks of antibiotics left and I can’t stand another second in this place so… I’m probably gonna leave In the morning. Idk who this was for but here’s just another story of a hopeless drug addict trapped in a reality that is seemingly inescapable. Peace out

  • Katherine Lerman says:

    Thank You my son 33 is now in SARASOTA Memorial Hospital in a locked floor he has Osteomyelitis been shooting fentanyl He has left the hospital over 6 times in 6 mos caught using yesterday they took his clothes candy and no visitors for the next 5 to 7 days I kept asking them to keep him calm so the IV and pic can do the job They look at me when I visit like I’m the one who gave him drugs!! Problem being they don’t do their homework Now they are treating him like a criminal HE IS GOING TO DIE !!! I’m not sure what to do!!

  • Kyle says:

    One of the better quality reports I’ve read. Now pharmacies just need to provide filters for addicts. A clean injection causes less issues long term, less cost, and problems for hospitals

  • Samantha Morgan says:

    I’ve left hospitals, rehabs, but mostly I left my family and the people that love me.
    They gave me methadone at this hospital I’m currently at…I was diagnosed with endocarditis.
    be honest with the doctors and nurses. What the hell are they gonna do? Maybe 1 in 10 have gave me a funny look but you know what? Most of them when you tell them what’s going on with you are just happy your alive and your trying to change your life by asking for a dose of methadone rather than leaving and dying.
    Its this or its death man- I pray you find a methadone program and you get and stay clean.

  • Samantha Morgan says:

    Idk why but I just came across your comment.. HIS BEHAVIOR ACTIONS ARE NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY GIRL!!
    Over a period of time you have been conditioned either by him or yourself to think that him acting a fool is your fault. He might not have said or done anything to you to feel that way but you do anyway. 5
    Don’t worry about him unless he is clean and on a methadone program. Your baby girl deserves more. You do too. We treat others how to treat us.

    I pray you find peace

  • Some Worthless Junky says:

    I brought my wife to the urgent care after she broke her rib when she tripped in the parking lot. Unrelated, but we’re iv opiate users. She was able to keep this secret by telling the nurses who repeatedly berated her with questions about her tracks by telling them they were from a fetish thing. They pretended to believe her, and the doctor ordered a dose of morphine. Then a couple emts took over and gave her a shot of ativan instead, I suppose they were planning to marchman act her by causing her to appear intoxicated, but then I showed up. Unfortunately, I trusted the medical establishment and when they told us they would call police rather than let me take her to the hospital in the car (because she had elevated white blood cells – possibly due to pneumonia that developed from not being able to cough with the broken rib, or possibly because she was pregnant) I let them take her in the ambulance. I arrived at the hospital before her, at arount 1am. I kept asking where she was and they told me nothing, eventually (at around 5am) they told me she was there and she had said I was using drugs (I know she would not do that) and that we were not married (again never) and if we were I should come back at 9 with a copy of my marriage certificate. Then they had a police officer threaten me and force me out of the ER waiting room.

    I returned at 9am with the certificate and found her in terrible shape, her lips were bloody and chapped, and she was completely out of it. Totally crazy because she had walked down the stairs from the 5th floor down to the car when a friend took her to the urgent care the night before. When I showed up, all of a sudden they had a room for her. She told me a horrific story about how they left her for hours tied on her back so she could not breathe, her hemoglobin dropped from (I can’t remember exactly but it was over 10, I want to say 13 or 14) when she first arrived to 6 before the night was through, so at this point our unborn child was, as a nurse friend told us, severely brain damaged and we were forced to make the choice to terminate the pregnancy. Throughout the entire stay, I was told all manner of different things were wrong with her, sepsis, endocarditis, pneumonia. (I looked up the antibiotics and they were indicated for pneumonia).

    I asked the doctor how she could have gotten this from iv drugs when she never reused needles, always kept sterile, much cleaner than any other users we know. We’re always the ones handing out harm reduction supplies among our friends. As the doctor asked a bunch of questions I could see her getting progressively more nervous as I responded to each “well do you…” with “of course” finally she asked, “do you always wipe the injection site with alchohol” and I said, “Well maybe we’ve forgotten here and there” and she goes, “oh, well that must be it.”

    yeah right. give me a fucking break.

    she had a broken rib and pneumonia developed because she was terrified to go to the hospital and “there’s nothing they can do for a broken rib, why do I want to risk something terrifying happening because I’m a junky”

    she was right.

    I thought I was being a not neglectful spouse making sure she was seen. I should have made sure I knew what to expect and I should have carried her out of the urgent care, threats of police be damned.

    I was shocked she was pregnant, but we were happy about it. It’s such a fucking shame, our kind is not allowed to have children I guess. No matter how functional we are.

    • Ally says:

      I’m sorry but this was hard to read and I’m about to be blunt: you both need help. Your wife was using IV opiates while pregnant and lying to doctors about it as you said, and you seem to think it’s still the doctors’ faults your child was not okay. You need to rethink that really hard, and realize both of your drug usage is why you can’t safely or correctly have a child. No one, no doctor, is stopping you. Opiate withdrawals are severe, and can result in premature births and even miscarriages. Opiate use while pregnant can result in a child that is born addicted due to your actions, who will need extra care to make sure they’re okay. I guess you should’ve totally done what you said and just left the hospital? Stopped getting medical care, and just kept shooting up and waited for her to have a miscarriage or birth that ended terribly at home due to NAS? I don’t think those sound like good ideas and am appalled you could suggest that you should’ve left after learning your drug-addicted wife was pregnant. I’m sorry, but a doctor did not force the two of you to copulate resulting in a child, do IV opiates, or wait to go to the hospital with broken ribs resulting in pneumonia. You two did those things.

      I’m sorry for you and your wife’s loss because as rude as I may seem lol, I absolutely do not think anyone deserves to know what it feels like to lose a child. Maybe that’s why I can’t believe you’re playing the blame game here and not taking any responsibility for the fact that your wife’s withdrawals and drug usage probably had a hand in the miscarriage. That’s not an impolite or improbable thing to suggest, it’s quite literally the most plausible explanation for what happened. Your wife got pneumonia from not going to get treatment and started detoxing due to not being able to use in a hospital obviously, and then something awful happened. Your other option was to stay at home and keep using while your wife was pregnant, and you seem to think that somehow would’ve turned out healthier for everyone. You know what would’ve turned out better? Not using while trying to have a child at that moment. Or if you weren’t trying, using protection if you’re having sex and shooting up. Maybe also just stop using, get a counselor, go to meetings, go to detox, etc. You complaining about the difficulties of ‘your kind’ having a child without saying anything about wanting to stop your drug usage is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Sincerely, someone who’s been to many group meetings for drug abuse before and still hasn’t heard someone deflect responsibilities over a child’s death.

      This is as polite as I get and I’m still probably gonna be removed for violating community guidelines, but this is ridiculous lol, I can’t sit back and see this here with no one saying anything. And I disagree with you calling you or your wife functional based on what you’ve said in this story; your wife wouldn’t even go to the hospital for broken ribs because she wanted to keep using. That is not functional. As someone who’s best friend’s dad is a meth addict and has physically and emotionally abused her, that was disgusting to read. As someone who’s ex had a mentally ill and alcoholic dad who would physically threaten both of us as well as try to fight his own son, that was disgusting to read. Please do not have children if you aren’t able to take responsibility for them. You aren’t even able to take responsibility for your and your wife’s continued drug usage, how would you do so for a child? I’m not even trying to shame you, it’s just insane that you don’t see the reality of this situation and continue to vehemently blame those who save lives daily. There are people in that hospital who’ve saved lives of babies from substance-addicted mothers I’m sure, saved premature babies, all kinds of kiddos who come out with defects or issues, and you just think they all hate you for being ‘a worthless junky’, as you coined yourself for extra pity. I’m sure they didn’t say ‘I hope that guy’s baby dies because he’s a junkie’. But whatever, great mindset.

      • Melissa says:

        While I completely agree that addicts should not be bringing babies into a world like that. I believe most of these conceptions are accidental, never the less, beating an addiction is the hardest thing in the world. Especially, when the very ppl started ur addiction, typically by prescribing pain killers gor long periods of time w no regard, then treat u like a pc of crap for “allowing” ur body to become addicted to them. All addicts wait until their life is in danger b4 seeking medical help simply because they usually treated w complete disdain and their addiction is disregarded as if forcing u into detox is gonna change ur addiction some how. I am so happy that alot of medical providers have learned to take a more respectful approach by treating addicts like they have a disease and treating withdrawals during a hospital stay w either low doses of opiates or withdrawal medication such as methadone. Im under the impression w this guys story the didnt know she was pregnant until she was in the hospital so waiting to seek treatment was not based a babies well being. If doctors treated addicts w respect and empathy they would seek treatment sooner, I think was the point he was making not so much blaming them for the death of his child but believing they share the responsibility for ppl waiting to get treated, that resulted in him losing the child. And I understood him to say they terminated the preg during the hospital stay so they didn’t just leave wo regard for their child once they were aware there was one. I fan appreciate ur opinion that addicts make their own life choices but, there again, .ore often than not addicts became addicts as a result of a Dr freely and openly giving them an addictive drug. Whats the difference in providing it causing the addiction and giving it once ur addicted.

  • Kelly says:

    I love this… I’m suffering osteomyelitis and my Dr lied and said it’s against the law to send me home with a PICC line… Completely lied to my face and I have almost 4 years clean! I found out by looking it up so I switched infectious disease Drs and I’m finally getting my at home PICC line after trying oral antibiotics and it not helping… I’m glad to see ppl are starting to love us addicts n be more understanding cuz I REFUSE to do another 2 months in the hospital for IV antibiotics… PLEASE bring this to over to the states… They denied Philly a injection site, I’m in Wilmington Delaware now but just 20 minutes outside of Philly… I’d love if we could bring this vibe here, thing is I got my PICC line but never told my new infectious disease Dr about my past… I’m tired of being judged…n LIED to…n in return now I’m basically lying by not telling about my past which makes me who I am. Thanks for this story…n if you need another addicts story, I have one

  • DArcy says:

    This is ironic I have read this now. I personally have to be at the hospital now yesterday telehealth nurse said . You need to go now not non shilontly either. She said now please. I’m still awaiting my arrival there . I use deladid 8s 9 a day with 1 12 mg Morphine. I inject the deladids that’s it. I do not do heroin Tina or cocaine or fentanyl at all. The point is they treated me like crap my first abscess the nurses doctors were rude like I was a complete alien and not deserving of any kind of care but go die attitude. Loser . Plus I am Native Scottish Heinz 57. I get embarrassed they think I lie when I tell them of only injecting my prescribed meds like the looks on their faces I wish I could hold a mirror up to their faces. If i was completely white I might be treated a tad different i am definitely treated bad being aboriginal. If your alone they the staff at the hospital believe I do believe this that it’s okay to take 15 hours to deal with me. Like I truly do not deserve a chance at a healthy lifestyle anymore. I have been doing opioids for about 4byears now. How I started the pain relief was just simply faster acting to inject. I so regret it now cause I have to go I’m terrified what could be happening inside my body and I will be around complete negativity for hrs it’s abusive. I personally do not like to abuse my self when I inject. My arms look bad because I do not use a tie. Their imaginations run away with themselves while I patiently wait never ride grateful these mean people are here to help me try to help myself. Gob bless everyone.

  • The not so girl next door says:

    The last time I injected drugs was the morning of May 21, I had been on oral antibiotics for 7 days, spiked a fever 2 days prior, and gone to emerge 3 times prior. I went back to emerge a fourth time that night and was admitted. That’s not why I stopped, I had injected in hospital before, although not an opioid user, so they were never able to help me medically.

    Why did I stop? I could no longer lift my right arm. The infection hit my blood and I was in big trouble.

    And the one nurse I tried to avoid every time I went was there. And she was rude and mean to me again. But pretty quick someone identified that I was in big trouble, and I didn’t see that nurse again.

    I was finally ready, and a few days later, when I could lift my arm, a nurse helped me dispose of what I had left, all my Sharps, clean and dirty, and drugs, and everything else. No police, no big production, no shame, no judgement. I spent 16 days in critical care, ended up with infection in the joints in my collarbone, my shoulder and my back. My liver was enlarged. I had a heart murmur. I started to develop abscesses on my legs, and then my hand. Several days of not using I continued to develop more and more, and the decision was to surgically remove them under a spinal as I had 11 at that point.

    I narrowly escaped open heart surgery. 21 days after developing the infection, 14 days after admission, I was deemed medically stable.
    But none of that was why I stopped. I stopped because I couldn’t lift my right arm.
    I had been trying to stop for a long time and once I got through the withdrawal, the rest, is just a really good story. I used until I physically couldn’t anymore and then I stopped. I’ve been clean now 18 consecutive days, I found 18 hours impossible!!!

    • Kathy LERMAN says:

      Can u talk to my son he injects fentanyl now has life threatening bone infection he left the Hospital over 5 times needs intervenes antibiotics for 45 days the longest he makes it in hospital is 7 days. He’s 33 I’m so worried he is going to die he lost his job apartment and kitty and hangs with a horrible older girl. Can u help??

      • TiredMom says:

        You need to get help for yourself. Trust me I know where you are coming from as I have a 27yo son w addiction issues for last 10 years. We have been there. Hospitals, AMA departures and back again. Until he wants to get help, which may or not be ever, he will not do it. I truly believe they become more stubborn as the number foyers they use increases. We do not understand their mentation as only other addicts can truly understand. Here I am again with my son in the hospital after a huge access in April had him inpatient for 6 weeks as he almost died of sepsis. He was Dcd to a Methadone outpatient treatment facility which he was doing great until the pain in his hip (from that access infection) returned. His hip is completely shot. He is in severe and constant pain 24/7 and is back in the hospital bc it is unrelieved. by the small daily dose of methadone that they are able to give. Our problem is he needs surgery to fix his hip and the drs will not do a hip replacement or any hip surgery on an IV drug user (he began using again when the daily methadone was not working). So our question is when is an elective surgery no longer elective?? If it were endocarditis (heart infection) they would immediately operate , IV drug user or not, but bc its his hip it is not threatening his life. BUT he can’t move, he can’t get to a bathroom anymore, he can’t get food or even a drink from a cooler 10 feet away. So is this not life threatening too?? It is so sad how the medical community discriminates against addicts. I know because I am a nurse myself and have been guilty of this when I did not understand Methadone and more about the fact that addiction is a disease. So please, the best way for you to help your son is to help yourself to be there during the times that you can control being there for them. He may or may not reach out, but he will find a way to get back to the hospital when he needs to. Addicts find ways to get their drugs, food, rides, and continue to live. It may take a life changing event to ever get him to accept to change. You are not in control and neither am I. As I sit here while he sleeps I am trying to give myself the same advice as you. Best of luck to you both.

  • The not so girl next door says:

    The last time I injected drugs was the morning of May 21, I had been on oral antibiotics for 7 days, spiked a fever 2 days prior, and gone to emerge 3 times prior. I went back to emerge a fourth time that night and was admitted. That’s not why I stopped, I had injected in hospital before, although not an opioid user, so they were never able to help me medically.

    Why did I stop? I could no longer lift my right arm. The infection hit my blood and I was in big trouble.

    And the one nurse I tried to avoid every time I went was there. And she was rude and mean to me again. But pretty quick someone identified that I was in big trouble, and I didn’t see that nurse again.

    I was finally ready, and a few days later, when I could lift my arm, a nurse helped me dispose of what I had left, all my Sharps, clean and dirty, and drugs, and everything else. No police, no big production, no shame, no judgement.

  • Kayla says:

    Who is the person Shawn last name

  • Audrey says:

    Wow I thought I was the only one this happened to. I was an iv user in 2004 and was admitted to hospital with endrocardis and was told I need 6 weeks antibiotic treatment and could not leave with a pic line, Because I admitted being addicted to diladid, every week I had a new Dr, who would have different views on if I should detox or not. I went from being comfortable, to complete withdraws. I checked myself out 2 or 3 times, I “hospital hopped” trying to find somewhere I could go that would let me stay yet not let me go through withdraws, I was dying from my infection. And I ended up bouncing around and stayed almost 6 months before finally being rushed to have heart surgery, even the day after heart surgery, without asking how my pain was my dr tried to take me off of pain meds and I almost left until Dr changed her mind and left me Alone, I was not there to get high, I was there to get better and they were so worried about not giving me pain meds that they didn’t care to correctly treat the infection that I was dying from. Once the drs know your an addict you are treated very differently to the point to where its affecting the decision there making and basically forcing very sick people to check them selves out where many have died, I was lucky and stuck with it, and went through alot of ups and downs. But I this article couldn’t be more true. Drs and nurses are supposed to help people, but these days many feel that addicts are not people worthy of there help, and are forced to leave, then die. When had the Dr not judged and put all his energy in trying to treat addiction they would have been able to save the patient treating the correct infection that needed treated at that time.

  • Ryeki says:

    What if you are not an iv drug user and are discriminated because you are positive for a drug you only smoke?

    They are refusing a picc line for my husband who doesn’t do opiates and has never done drugs intravenously. This hospital in so many words do not believe addicts, or a former addicts, deserve the same treatment and pain management as non-addicts. How is that legal?

  • Ryeki says:

    What is you are not an iv drug user and are discriminated because you are positive for a drug you only smoke?

  • Connie Wolford says:

    I too have had a rough way to go with er drs its like once you tell them the truth you are then judged and belittled and labeled as just another needle junkie seeking a fix! I am one of the addicts that waited until i was almost septic bc i had a spinal abscess in my thoracic spine and didn’t know that i had it .The infection was so bad that it had compressed my spinal cord. On Feb 4th 2019 I went to get up from my bed in my home and when i swung my legs Aarons to the edge of the bed, I tried to stand and i fell flat on my face in the worst pain that i had ever imagined it felt like my back and stomach was on fire not like a normal fire more like an inferno iwas rushed to the nearest er and life flighted to a trauma hospital i went straight to surgery when i woke up in recovery i didn’t remember how i got to a trauma hospital 80 miles from my home town until the nurse told me .I woke up in so much pain. As i said above the infection was so bad it had compressed my spinal cord and there was a large puss pocket on my spine as well drs also took out tissue from T7 and T9 I am currently to date (Mar 20TH) in a skilled nursing facility who has inhouse pt and ot therapists ,i also get iv antibiotics vanc as they call it here twice a day. I still can’t walk but i have came a long way since Feb 4th. i just wish had hadn’t waited so long to go to er but it only takes one illiterate uneducated dr who don’t see past the “needle junkie” stereotype that he or she created in their mind to ruin it for all drs bc we the addicts have absolutely no trust in any er drs. Thank you

  • Marilyn Mance says:

    Currently hospitalized in Phoenix, AZ and also an active opiod addict, this topic truly hits home.
    From what was reported here, as well as other articles I’ve read lately, it seems like our Canadian neighbors seem to have truly began embracing the challenge as well as the individual addicts with a realistic amount of support, encouragement, and equal common decency that has been 100 years over due.
    I believe with Canada’s budding new ideals on the proper way to address and treat this overwhelming crisis, and that if this trend will spread to the point of becoming the standard in hospitals and health care as a whole, perhaps finally this century long scourge can become a declining social enemy of the past.
    As with so many intolerable crisis of the past, after society addresses the illness logically, sympathetically, and respectfully we usually seem to find a way to overcome it, find treatments and medications, and lastly, exonerate the individuals from the life long stigmatism.

  • Rob says:

    I’m in the hospital right now for the second time dealing with an infection they say my two infections were not tied together because they had just treated one infection in my spine in August and it is now December and they say they are not tied together but I believe they are and they’re covering their ass but besides that they have a PICC line in and they are giving me only options to either go home with no antibiotics nothing and tell me my chances of dying or very good or I have to stay here for four to six weeks or go to a nursing home for four to six weeks I’m sorry 4 to 8 weeks and it’s b******* because I don’t have the time to go to a nursing home or stay here for another 6 weeks I already did it once this year and I cannot do it again and they don’t really give me any options I have the PICC line I am an addict but a PICC line isn’t even set up for the person to inject into it if you injected into it things well just leaked out of it it’s not set up for a Sharp needle and set up for a syringe that doesn’t have any dough it hopes up and screws onto the tip of its unless you have that you are not injecting anything into it not only that as an addict I don’t need a PICC line to shoot up I’ve never had a PICC line in my life and I’ve never had an issue with shooting up not only that I have been clean it’s now December and I’ve been clean since April well I’ve had four uses since April so it doesn’t exactly matter if I have a PICC line or not I just do not want to be in the hospital at long as they do not let me outside and I basically stay or not forward I can walk down a month 60 to 70 feet and I can turn around and come back and go in my room and that’s really all I can do because I went outside and have a cigarette they’ve harassed me five times already by searching my room drug tested me and yet they’ve never found anything in one of the times but yet they keep doing it and doing it and doing it they’ve now said that my girlfriend is not allowed to come here anymore and I’ve been with her for 6 years they are not allowing her in here anymore because they are mad because I went outside to smoke a cigarette but yet they say they’re only worried about my safety when I came back in and all they did was have 15 nurses sitting there staring at me and came back and yelled in my face that I need to get to my f****** room and told my girlfriend to leave sorry to f****** leave but yet then they called security and had the actual police here and were telling me that they were just doing what was best for me and they were worried for my health if you were worried for my health you wouldn’t have screamed at me and told me to get the f*** to my room you have been asking me are you okay are you okay can I check this out can I check you out telling someone to get the f*** to their room isn’t something that is a worry or something that somebody does when they’re worrying about you or they’re scared for your life that’s something someone does when they are mad because you did something that they didn’t want you to do and anytime I bring up wanting to not be here or I cannot stay they avoid the question tell me that’s why I really only option until a nursing home takes me I don’t want either of those I want to go home but they told me if I go home I will die and they make sure to tell my family that too so now my family thinks if I leave here I will die they need to stop this ignorance

    • DArcy says:

      The girl next door. I know I am a stranger from my heart personally I’m proud of you. Keep up the good job of being alive right!!!!!!!!! Its not a job I love life I really do I am terrified about what they might find inside. It’s okay things are supposed to be the way they are supposed to be. Inside my body like blood I am always diligent with my HIV test but these cotton fevers aren’t good too many. You take care .thanks cause I really hope I can stay off the steel. God bless you girl.

  • Cbass says:

    Ive been in the hospital now for two weeks. I was admitted for septic shock and due to my heroin IV use I can’t leave the floor because I have a picc line or mid line i get IV antibiotics. My doctor was giving me oxy 5 mg and narco 5 mg seriouly i use a half to a gram of heroin a day. Im put in the “drug seeker” category. One day my doctor was not their so another physician came to do his round he was so insensative to my pain and situation and he to me off all narcotics and put me on torodal even the nurses were glad out of my best interest. Guys all am saying is the patient is less likely to stay a 4-6 weeks antibiotic treatment if you take his 5mg pain control pills because even after withdrawals and addict for 7 years like me still have mental neuro like desire for opiods. Which effect the ill patient treatment. He may leave the hospital to go shuve dope into his picc line because hell he can’t find a vain get reinfected and die. Give the patient the perk 10 because its not like his friends can’t bring him heroin into his hospital room.

  • Quintina says:

    I’m waiting to my have blood checked for poisoning, after using.
    They took a pee example .. I’m never heard here as before a few one year ago , I was turned down twice and than with my CMHA worker was admitted. Now I feel they are not taking me for coming here real. I should be drinking water while waiting for the doctor to take my blood ?

  • Ulas Camsari says: (Small-Town America’s Despair: Infected Substance Users Needing Outpatient Parenteral Therapy and Risk Stratification)

  • Carrie H says:

    Heroin has been legal for a very long time. Many patients in Hospital (especially cardiac patients) are give it for pain on a routine basis. It is safer for the hear than the alternative, Morphine.

    It is labeled as “Diamorphine” it is, esentially, more refined heroin. I bet at least 1/3 or more of elderly patients in hospital have recieved it on a routine basis. (Not available in many countries but luckily Canada allows it).

    If you havent already and have an interest in the subject, please check out Johann Hari and listen to his Ted talk. If you want to explore further, he as a superb book out about everything anyone should know about it and many of its Opiate/oid relatives.

    Being informed and knowledgable, especially in the Healtcare field, about something that affect a huge percentage of patients can only make you a better provider. Knowledge is power.

    One cannot truly have an opinion on a subject that he/she know little about. Who know, it just might change perceptions, opinions, and help you save someone who would otherwise be lost to the tradgedy of addiction.

  • Richard Gould says:

    I understand that Health Canada has recently classified heroin in such a way that physicians can legally prescribe it. So perhaps this is another option available to hospitals. A hospital could possibly try methadone or suboxzone first but if that doesn’t work then injectable options could be available for the patient.

  • Elliott Coronado says:

    I had pleaded with the hospital not to take any decisions without first speaking to me, but they ignored me, as they had done since she was admitted as an emergency six days earlier.

  • Kimberly Wintemute says:

    Thanks for bringing this issue to light. One of the hardest things to do in life – and as a care provider – is to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. This piece helps me do that.

  • Lisa Bromley says:

    In addition to offering harm reduction services, hospitals should be prepared to offer pharmacologic treatment for people with substance use disorders (SUD). Specifically, contrary to popular perception, Opioid Use Disorder (OUD) is a highly treatable illness. It often responds spectacularly well to pharmacologic treatment with methadone or buprenorphine-naloxone. Methadone and bup-nx are gold standard treatments with incontrovertible scientific evidence behind them. Methadone treatment for OUD is over fifty years old: talk about a gap between evidence and practice. Not offering treatment for OUD in hospital is akin to not starting treatment for a newly diagnosed diabetic in hospital. It is a combination of attitude gap and knowledge gap. Hospitalization with a serious illness can be a major motivation for change for someone who is injecting, a window of opportunity. If a hospital is to offer harm reduction services, it makes the most sense to offer the full spectrum of harm reduction, namely, offer proven medication treatment for Opioid Use Disorder *in addition to* safer injection support. Without it, patients who are interested in treatment and who would benefit from methadone or bup-nx would miss a precious opportunity. The gains in health and cost savings would be massive if even a small proportion of injection drug using patients were captured into methadone or bup-nx treatment during a hospitalization. -Lisa Bromley, family physician with focused practice in addiction, Ottawa

    • Wip Lamba says:

      Lisa’s comment on in-hospital treatment is so true. Many hospitals do not have a regular prescriber who can initiate and continue buprenorphine-naloxone or methadone. Harm reduction works best when we are in environments where there is a saturation of treatment options.

      Hopefully there will be a shift in hospital policy so all patients have access to these treatments when indicated.

    • Sean LeBlanc says:

      you said it ALL, Doctor…

  • Kenneth Lam says:

    This is a great topic that doesn’t get enough attention in the hospital.

    The bad relations between health care providers and drug users stem from a lot of assumptions made by both parties. As the article suggests, drug users are likely to have bad experiences with health care providers, and sometimes just one experience is all it takes for them to lose faith in the system and start seeing doctors and nurses as uncaring and stingy. For health care providers, we are scared of being held responsible for over-prescribing opiates, but I think we are made even more hesitant from experiences with shrewd and misleading requests for drugs in hospital: I believe we are more averse to the idea of being taken advantage of than of the risk of over-prescribing.

    For health care providers to become less judgmental, there needs to be a change in attitudes about drug use and the long road to recovery as the articles suggests, perhaps made explicit through some re-assurance from regulatory bodies about what actually constitutes egregious prescribing practices in hospital. But we also need a strategy to deal with that feeling we get when we find out someone has lied to us – that mixture of anger, betrayal and humiliation – which colours so many of our encounters with this marginalized population.

  • Wip Lamba says:

    Thank you for bringing this topic to the forefront. When a patient leaves AMA due to withdrawal it is a sign that the system failed. We need the attitude shift that Dr. Selby was talking about and access to supplies, harm reduction principles and access to active addiction treatment within the hospital setting. I look forward to see how this attitude shift occurs and the addiction team at St. Mikes would be happy to help in any way possible.

    Offering Buprenorphine, methadone, alcohol withdrawal treatment, anti craving Meds, harm reduction tools/kits and psychosocial interventions would be a great place to start and anyone is welcome to contact us if they want to build capacity in those areas – Wip Lamba, addiction physician St. Mikes , toronto.

    • Jennifer Torres says:

      Hi i’m from San Antonio, Tx. I am writing in regards to your article about illicit drug use in hospital. My boyfriend was admitted Sunday morning. When i left the hospital, he was a free man sick in a hospital bed with a sever case of cellulitis, agonizing pain, and suffering from opiate withdrawal. When I arrived back
      at the hospital afew hours later.they had him handcuffed in a hospital bed no clothes on . incoherent and helluccinating. A SAPD officer at his door telling me that he’s been arrested for possession. I wasn’t able to talk to him,and still have no idea what kind of mind frame is he in. What’s going on with his legs. Before this visit I had took him twice before to the hospital and both times the severity of his legs got him admitted. Both times he left the hospital against doctors orders, cause of withdrawal symptoms. This all in a 3 week period. Now he’s going to jail and I’m never going to get him to trust or go to a hospital again. I’m just upset with myself. I made him go back to the hospital and now he’s suffering alone. I’m left wondering about him while raising our 8month old daughter.

      • Jen Ball says:

        Jesus I am so sorry to hear this. I am going through a similar situation minus the legal charges thus far. I’ve bounced in and out of in patient at different hospitals and no doctor will address my withdrawals so I just keep leaving ama after a few days. The stigma and attitude that addicts aren’t worthy of medical care is just so sad and disgusting. I hope your boyfriend is now free and getting the care he needs.

      • Jennifer says:

        Hey, I read your story and was wondering why he was arrested? Did he have drugs on him?

      • Melissa says:

        It hurts my heart to these hospital horror stories for addicts. I do believe it is getting better in of areas tho. For example, I’ve been addicted to heroin for 7 years, and opiods (pain pills) for another 8 years prior. When I developed a severe abscess in my arm, I was completely honest w the doctors from the beginning and aside from providing me nothing for pain while they drained it, and a few odd looks from a nurse or two, the dr did treat me with respect and was empathetic. A few years later, I developed pneumonia and went to a better hospital, again honest. However, I had a severe blood disease they called it a staff infection so they admitted me for iv drug treatment. They were very respectful, treated me w dignity and provided me w methadone during my stay. I hated having to be there for a couple weeks for the treatment tho so a cpl yrs later when I developed an abscess in my chest I was hesitant to seek treatment cause I didnt want to be admitted but I had no idea how it developed since I have injected anywhere near that area. I truly believe that it was hurting due to a broken rib from coughing so hard. But once I did seek treatment, the morons at 1 hospital did a an x-ray of my shoulder and said my chest pain “deferred pain” from a pulled muscle in my arm. Even though my complaint was pain in my chest, they never even looked at my chest where there was a visual lump and sent me home w muscle relaxers. The next day, I was still in severe pain so I went to the better hospital, where they did a more appropriate exam followed by a chest CT that showed a large mass requiring surgery. again I was honest about my addiction from the beginning. They said the infection had traveled in my blood and just settled there. They admitted me and again pneumonia that required being on oxygen and reg breathing treatments. I had no idea how sick i really was. And again a severe blood disease requiring IV meds. They were so amazing there BUT they didn’t have a surgeon on staff for my surgery so I was transferred to the 1st hospital I went to for my arm abscess. Upon arrival they did a ful search if my belongings anything I wouldn’t let them see had to go home with my mom. They said that was standard procedure for everyone, highly doubt they do that to non-addicts. The surgery didnt happen for 2 days but they did provide iv morphine while I waited. Barely enough to curb wd but it did helped w the pain. The cough was so severe but I thought it was a typical smokers lung w the flu. And I thought I had broken a rib coughing So hard and thats why my chest hurt So bad. So I waited til I was literally doubled over in pain b4 going to the Dr for fear of being forced to stay. And, of course, I had another blood disease that required 6 wks of iv antibiotics and they refused to let me leave w the PICC line. After the surgery the morphine switched from iv to a 5 mg pill that didn’t help w anything and I was still in pain due to fluid in my lungs they didnt drain for over a week. Week 2 I begged the Dr for stronger meds when he decided to start giving me methadone and stopped the morphine saying the surgery and relieving the fluid should have stopped my pain. So they started treating wd instead of trying to manage pain. I went into fits that caused so much anxiety I was shaking all over, couldnt catch My breathe and peed myself a few times cause I had no control over My body. They would pat my back awhile attempting to sooth me n calm me down, they acted like it was a typical anxiety attack rather than the withdrawals that I was suffering from. Dah. My husband is also an addict and naturally they didn’t provide anything for him so he was still using and bringing it to the hospital for me as well. So Idk why they didn’t question the wd symptoms suddenly getting better but it was due to self medicating. Not the ativan or 5 mg morphine. My intention was not to overcome my addiction, but once the methadone started it actually did help w wd when we were broke n couldn’t self med so we decided to try to kick it using methadone. Wk 3 we were relying on it more often than using but naturally it was a low dose and I shared w hubby so we still needed a lil help. Once they agreed to release me a pill form of antibiotics there was still an issue that the wound from surgery was left open to heal from inside out and it required a machine called a would vac to be attached for 4 to 6 weeks and I had no insurance so it took my case worker a few more days to work out providing the machine and reg visits to the wound doctors that required a form of payment for treatments. So after just over 3 weeks I was released w 3 visits a wk to see the wound Dr. After just 2 wks I healed quickly so I was finally free of carrying this machine in a bag like a purse that was attached to my chest constantly. Over all most of the staff was kind and respectful but there was the occasional cross look when a nurse saw “IV drug user on my board”. Which frankly I believe to be unnecessary considering any visitors I had saw it. They did put a sign on my door saying I was contangous n should not be touched by anyone w/o gloves and a gown on. I understand that but they made me feel like I was a mutant. 1 nurse told me to walk around to improve my lungs then another 1 scalded me when she saw me out of my room sending me into tears. My experience compared to others I would say the treatment of addicts has improved drasticly over the last few years. In my area anyway. I pray that all medical providers choose to see it as a disease and get educated on how to treat it.

    • Debra Tuten says:

      I found this entire article very interesting and pertains right to my best friend’s situation. Im sorry that everyone had to enture this type of experience. I hope everyone got the treatment they needed.


Wendy Glauser


Wendy is a freelance health and science journalist and a former staff reporter with Healthy Debate.

Jeremy Petch


Jeremy is an Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto’s Institute of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation, and has a PhD in Philosophy (Health Policy Ethics) from York University. He is the former managing editor of Healthy Debate and co-founded Faces of Healthcare

Mike Tierney


Mike is the Vice President of Clinical Programs at Ottawa Hospital.

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