How good is natural immunity?

As provincial governments across Canada intensify efforts to increase vaccinations, mandating the shots for some professionals and requiring the public to be vaccinated to enter certain establishments, many people who have recovered from COVID-19 say they have been overlooked.

“Why are we not being recognized as people who have adequate immunity?” Albertan country star Paul Brandt asked on Facebook on Sept. 17. A similar question prompted Alberta Premier Jason Kenney to say that his government was looking into exempting people who had COVID-19 from requiring proof of vaccination under the province’s vaccine passport system, though such an exemption would not be coming anytime soon, if at all.

This raises an important question: is the immunity that comes from having caught COVID-19, known as “natural immunity,” as good as the immunity from vaccination?

The short answer is that it may well be, at least for some, but there are caveats. “The trouble is that there’s so much that we don’t know about the immune response to COVID-19,” says Ameeta Singh, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of Alberta. For this reason, immunologists and other medical professionals generally still recommend that those who have had COVID-19 get vaccinated.

To better understand how these two kinds of immunity stack up, we first need to grasp the basics of the immune system.

How do you develop immunity to the coronavirus?                                     

When SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, enters your body, it uses its infamous spike proteins to bind to certain receptors on your cells and, as if picking a lock, it hijacks the cells so that they start producing more viruses. Your immune system quickly counterattacks in part with an onslaught of imprecise anti-viral cells and molecules while, within seven to ten days, your adaptive immune system starts building more targeted, lethal armaments: B cells start manufacturing antibodies, Y-shaped proteins that latch onto the SARS-CoV-2 virus, both flagging it for destruction and preventing it from infecting your cells; killer T cells destroy infected cells pumping out more of the virus.

This painting depicts SARS-CoV-2 (magenta) fusing with a human cell (blue) and releasing its RNA genome into the cell. The painting includes speculative elements that are designed to highlight the process: most notably, multiple states of the viral spike protein are shown. Acknowledgement: Illustration by David S. Goodsell, RCSB Protein Data Bank; doi: 10.2210/rcsb_pdb/goodsell-gallery-026

After the infection has been routed, your immune system winds down. The antibodies in your blood gradually decrease before leveling off. Many B cells and T cells die. But your immune system is still prepared for future battle with SARS-CoV-2: certain cells, known as memory B cells and memory T cells, remember the virus they vanquished. If it reappears, not only will your lingering antibodies swarm it, but within days your memory B cells and T cells will once again start churning out more antibodies and destroying infected cells.

SARS-CoV-2 infection exposes your immune system to the entire virus, while the current COVID-19 vaccines work by tricking your cells into manufacturing just the virus’s spike protein. Your immune system then reacts to these spike proteins and any cells displaying them similarly to how it would respond to an infection. This way, if the virus does infect you, it will come up against the antibodies, memory B cells and memory T cells made when you were vaccinated. They will recognize the virus’s spike protein and attack.

Now let’s compare natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity in three critical areas: their strength; how long they last; and how well they fend off variants.

How strong is each type of immunity?

Both vaccine-induced and natural immunity usually confer strong protection, especially against severe sickness and death.

In clinical trials, Pfizer and Moderna were around 95 per cent effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, while AstraZeneca was about 60 per cent effective. Data on the vaccines’ post-rollout performance, which can differ from their performance in clinical trials, shows them holding strong, at least at the time the data were collected. One study, not yet peer-reviewed, found mRNA vaccines to be around 90 per cent effective at preventing symptomatic illness caused by Alpha, the variant first identified in the U.K., while Pfizer was 88 per cent effective against Delta, first detected in India. AstraZeneca, on the other hand, was more than 70 per cent effective against Alpha and 67 per cent effective against Delta. The vaccines do even better at preventing serious illness: mRNA vaccines were 98 per cent effective, while a recent Phase 3 clinical trial found AstraZeneca to be 94.2 per cent effective against hospitalization.

Natural immunity, it turns out, “may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination,” states a WHO report from this May, with “current evidence point(ing) to most individuals developing strong protective immune responses following natural infection.” One study found that prior infection with SARS-CoV-2 “induces effective immunity to future infections in most individuals.”

There are some caveats, though. For one, the strength of natural immunity seems more variable. Scientists are still trying to identify a “correlate of protection,” a metric of how strong someone’s immunity is, but evidence is mounting that such a correlate might lie in the amount of antibodies in a person’s blood. If a certain level of antibodies proves to be a reliable correlate of protection, people who have natural immunity should take heed: “Vaccinated people will keep an average higher level than the average of naturally infected people,” explains Theodora Hatziioannou, a virologist at Rockefeller University who has been studying immunity to COVID-19. “The vaccinated always stay, as an average, consistently higher than the naturally infected.”

“Vaccination is more standardized,” says Fabienne Brilot-Turville, an immunologist at the University of Sydney who has also studied natural immunity to COVID-19. “Everyone receives a similar dose; therefore, responses would be expected to be more similar.”

People who were previously infected should therefore get vaccinated, she says. “The patch-work quilt of immunity following infection can be addressed through vaccination.”

What’s more, you might not have much immunity to COVID-19 if you were infected by the virus but did not develop any symptoms, or only mild ones. “Individuals with mild or asymptomatic infection tend to have lower antibody levels than those with severe disease,” states the WHO report. While this correlation is enigmatic, with a recent study finding that even asymptomatic and mild cases of COVID-19 appeared to generate significant antibody levels, “There’s a fair bit of evidence that people who had asymptomatic infection versus severe COVID have very different neutralizing antibody responses,” says Andrew McGuire, a scientist at the Fred Hutchinson Research Center who has studied COVID-19 immunity.

“Our data and data from many other labs show that a good number of people with very mild symptoms have close to undetectable levels of neutralizing antibodies,” Hatziioannou says. “A few do not even seroconvert,” meaning they don’t develop detectable antibodies.

So, if you once had COVID-19, it might not be safe to assume you’re adequately protected from it, especially if your previous brush with the virus was mild.

How long-lasting is each type of immunity?

Fortunately, both kinds of immunity offer protection for at least six months, and potentially much longer. It’s still unclear just how long it will ultimately last, however: as with other human coronaviruses, some scientists suspect this protection won’t be lifelong, putting anyone who has been previously infected or vaccinated at risk for re-infection or breakthrough infection.

What we do know so far is promising, though. Natural immunity seems to “remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection,” the WHO report stated. Moreover, a study in Nature has picked up on antibodies in the blood of people 11 months after they were infected, even though their infections were only mild; a recent study detected neutralizing antibodies in one group of people 13 months after they were diagnosed with COVID-19. Another study, detecting the stable presence of memory B cells up to 12 months post-infection, concluded that natural immunity appeared “very long lasting.”

Vaccines seem to be holding strong too: researchers have found high antibody levels six months after vaccination with Moderna, and another study found that both mRNA vaccines produce immune responses that could last years, the New York Times reported. As for AstraZeneca, a pre-print report from Public Health England indicates that the protection it provides against hospitalization due to Delta generally remains good – just under 80 per cent – after 20 weeks.

You may be wondering how this is compatible with recent concern over so-called “waning immunity,” which, as The Atlantic’s Katherine Wu writes, has “made it seem as though we’re doomed to chase SARS-CoV-2 with shot after shot after shot, as if vaccine protections were slipping through our fingers like so much sand.” While it’s true that the vaccines’ protection against infection and even mild symptomatic COVID-19 appears to decline over time, this is not necessarily cause for alarm.

Recall that it’s normal for your antibodies to dwindle over time. This effectively means that there are fewer guards on patrol. So, if SARS-CoV-2 enters your body, it’s easier for it to start infecting cells, even to the point of causing minor symptoms. But you’ve already built solid immunological fortifications, the memory B cells and T cells. Protection against severe illness and death consequently remains high: an August CDC study found that for mRNA vaccines, protection against hospitalization had barely decreased after six months. While some preliminary research, not yet peer-reviewed, suggests a small dip in protection against hospitalization and death may be occurring, as Nature reports, “globally, there is as yet no indication that the rates of severe illness among the vaccinated are spiking in any appreciable way.”

This painting shows neutralizing antibodies (bright yellow) latching onto the spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. Acknowledgement: David S. Goodsell, RCSB Protein Data Bank and Springer Nature; doi: 10.2210/rcsb_pdb/goodsell-gallery-025

How does each type of immunity fare against variants?

The science is not yet clear when it comes to which immune response is better against variants. “The story is messy,” says Katelyn Jetelina, an epidemiologist at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston who has written about natural immunity and variants.

The vaccines were designed to induce immunity against the original strain of SARS-CoV-2 that arose in late 2019 in Wuhan, China, but they seem to be holding up, albeit less effectively, against the variants that have prevailed in Canada: Alpha and, more recently, Delta.

Against Alpha, AstraZeneca was more than 70 per cent effective at preventing symptomatic illness, as noted above, while the mRNA vaccines were around 90 per cent effective.

Against Delta, though, natural immunity might have an edge, at least compared to Pfizer. That is the preliminary finding of one study, not yet peer-reviewed, that has garnered lots of attention—including from Anthony Fauci, chief medical advisor to President Joe Biden, who said that it prompted him and his colleagues to begin discussing whether prior infection should exempt someone from vaccination requirements.

Now, the study’s findings might be modified during peer review. Healthy Debate’s own deputy editor, epidemiologist Catharine Chambers, doesn’t think the study authors “adequately accounted for time from vaccination or infection or controlled for potential confounders in their analysis.”

Moreover, “These findings should not be taken as an endorsement that getting infected is a better overall option for protection than the highly effective vaccines,” the John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health noted, “as only those who survived initial infection were eligible for analysis.”

That said, the findings appear consistent with recent research suggesting that antibodies produced by infection might respond better to viral mutations than antibodies produced by vaccination, says Paul Bieniasz, a virologist at Rockefeller University. This is because infection might expose the immune system to the virus longer, prompting its B cells to mature to produce antibodies that better recognize and bind to the virus, Bieniasz suspects.

During a SARS-CoV-2 infection, your immune system also studies the entire virus, not just the simulated spike protein of the vaccines, which probably gives your T cells greater breadth, says McGuire. “That probably plays a pretty important role.”

Other research, however, has found that antibodies produced by the Moderna vaccine might actually adapt better to mutations in the part of the spike protein that binds to human cells than those induced by infection. Another study also found that people vaccinated with Moderna had higher levels of antibodies capable of neutralizing the Alpha variant and a viral mutation known as N501Y, which makes that variant more transmissible. This mutation is also found in Beta and Gamma, the variants first detected in South Africa and Brazil. (Complicating this picture further, though, is a recent study, not yet peer-reviewed, that found that a significant portion of a group of people vaccinated with Pfizer had undetectable levels of neutralizing antibodies that could fight off Delta, Beta, and Mu – first identified in Colombia – six months after their second dose).

“Science takes time to figure this out,” says Jetelina. “That’s what’s happening here.”

Getting vaccinated after being infected may give you the best immunity of all

Your immune system appears to become exceptionally powerful if you get at least one dose of an mRNA vaccine after being infected, a notion supported by a recent CDC study that found that, among previously infected Kentuckians, those who did not subsequently get vaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get re-infected than those who did.

Other recent research attests to just how impressive this kind of immunity can be: in one recent study in Science, researchers observed that antibodies from previously infected people neutralized the original SARS-CoV-2 virus and sporadically neutralized Beta. But the antibodies of those who had been infected and then received one mRNA vaccine dose exploded in number and not only neutralized other variants, but also SARS-CoV-1, the virus that caused the SARS outbreak in 2003, which is markedly distinct from SARS-CoV-2. “Our study highlights the importance of vaccinating both uninfected and previously infected persons,” the researchers concluded.

It’s not yet clear whether a similar effect would occur among those who got vaccinated and were then infected, or who were vaccinated with AstraZeneca, say Bieniasz and Hatziioannou, who co-authored a recent study that came to similar conclusions.

“There’s so much unknown right now,” says McGuire, who worked on the Science study. “It’s still the early days.”

Paul Brandt, the country star, and his wife had a long conversation that touched on some of these unknowns with Saskatchewan-based virologist Angela Rasmussen after his Facebook post. Rasmussen convinced them of “the need for COVID-recovered people to vaccinate,” Brandt later tweeted. “This is a conversation that needs to be happening now.”


This article has been updated to include new information.

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  • mark says:

    Now after seeing all the scientific studies including CDC that show how natural immunity is actually stronger then vaccination immunity this article seams like a misinformation.

  • Colin Fletcher says:

    Hi everyone! I just want to say I think this forum is great. And I read through the article. I thought it was well written, I don’t have any problems with it. Yes, it still promotes vaccination. But it is one of the first scientific analysis that seems to recognize natural immunity. Natural immunity isn’t considered here in Canada. And its been a big mistake as far as I’m concerned. I don’t understand all the ‘hoopla’. With every virus, since the beginning of medical science, isn’t vaccinated immunity the same as natural a natural infection? What do vaccines do? They trigger the ‘natural’ immune response. The only problem with ‘covid’. Is there is ‘waning immunity’. So if you have a covid infection, just count it as a vaccine shot. 6 months later, get the vaccine shot. But why on earth would some one re-trigger their immune response with a vaccine, immediate after a covid infection?? We don’t fully understand the immune response. Its dangerous. Don’t mess around with it.

    • Matt says:

      Hopefully you’ve seen the science that shows natural immunity is STRONGER than the vaccines by a good measure. One israeli study actually showed it to be 13 times stronger. What is the ulterior motive here in not following the science?

  • don minas says:

    I believe that if you were infected with covid-19 virus and you recovered , therefore has natural immunity , then , even if you have exposed to new strain of the virus , then the immune system will react the same way as when you get infected with the first time with covid-19 and so on , therefore in my opinion our immune system ( in general) can neutralize any virus without the need of vaccination , especially if we have already infected with covid-19 virus based on my knowledge as a chemist.

  • George Oscar Dodd says:

    A recent news report cited The American Red Cross as not wanting vaccinated donors for plasma because it results in degrading or destroying the natural anti-bodies of those who have acquired natural immunity.
    Also, why does this article ignore the Israel Covid studies? This study shows natural immunity can provide up to 27 times better protection than the vaccines.
    Pfizer has announce it’s Covid pill, an anti-malaria medication (very similar to HQN) and the drug doxcyclin; a drug commonly used on dogs by veteranarians. Ivermectin has been proven successful as an anti-viral medication in humans for nearly a decade, but is being dismissed out of hand as “horse de-wormer” by many in media, political office, and the medical community.
    How is natural immunity in the Israel Study being ignored?
    Why is Pfizer’s rehash drug better that the cheaper (proven effective) alternative?
    Why is canine medicine being hailed as other such drugs are being defamed?

    • John Smith says:

      Everything you just stated has been debunked by actual scientists.

      • Matt says:

        Hi, I’m from the future where we know now that natural immunity is indeed stronger and more robust than the vaccines. You have a good day now and don’t forget… follow the science ;)

  • Nikolai says:

    To the authors, there are couple of new studies regarding reinfection rate (natural immunity) you should check:
    • Britain’s Office for National Statistics (ONS):
    • Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections (Israel):
    • Older one from University of Missouri School of Medicine and MU Health Care:

    Reinfection rate (confirmed with sequencing) is hard to come by, but if the governments were putting more effort, they could at least publish possible data. And if it remains as low as most recent papers suggest, even 2-2.5x better protection with a single dose of vaccine after infection wouldn’t be needed. Plus in the EU that single dose won’t get the person a green certificate, which is unfortunate.

  • Cher says:

    My husband had mild Covid 19 in March of 2020. He just got results after taking the extensive T-Cell test in Sept/21.
    The Dr. confirmed he has robust immunity to Sars Covid 2 and has levels that show significant protection….
    this is after 19 months!! (much longer than vaccine immunity!!)
    The testing exists, and data is showing longterm protection without the need for vaccines. Why is it we as a society are being led to believe that natural immunity is not important? Since when in history have we only relied on vaccine immunity?? Only recently was the terminology for Herd immunity changed to recognice vaccine only immunity…wonder why?? Why aren’t we testing and acknowleging this Science backed fact?

    • Babycatcher_Jen says:

      There’s no way that you can make a statement on the longevity of vaccine efficacy rates…we haven’t even had the C19 Vax for that long! Don’t be so alarmist & others might want to have a dialogue with you.

      • matt says:

        you’re right. so let’s just stick with the evolution of millions of years of immune defenses that are ingrained in our DNA instead of oh, I don’t know, a vaccine that we, at best, aren’t sure of ;)

    • Rob says:

      “Since when in history have we only relied on vaccine immunity”???
      Measles, mumps, polio, rubella, diphtheria to name a few. Is it your suggestion that we just infect everyone and see how it goes?? If you have natural immunity, good for you, I hope it works for you, although the medical scientific data says it might not. So let’s infect everyone, see who lives or dies, cripple the world’s health care systems and go from there. Great plan!! Or, do as over 3 billion people have already done, got the shot and kill this thing off! The unvaccinated are completely, 100% selfish and don’t give a rats ass to what their doing to society. The only reason we have to take booster shots is because of the unvaccinated….period! And if people keep taking this stand (for no reason at all!!) we will continue to have to get shots for decades. This virus will not die on its own, and the unvaxxed let it thrive.

      • Barb says:

        You don’t have to get this booster just because of the unvaxxed… this article said about this “jab”!
        How long-lasting is each type of immunity?

        Fortunately, both kinds of immunity offer protection for at least six months, and potentially much longer. It’s still unclear just how long it will ultimately last, however: as with other human coronaviruses, some scientists suspect this protection won’t be lifelong, putting anyone who has been previously infected or vaccinated at risk for re-infection or breakthrough infection.

        You need to do more research before you put blame on anyone!!

      • M Gee says:

        Wow – what kind of crap are you trying to proliferate. If you choose vaccination good for you – if you choose not to good for you. There IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that the unvaxed are SPREADING this thing. Unvaccinated are NOT to blame – it is quite possible that vaccinations are increasing mutations and allowing a “slow drip” to end the pandemic which has just prolonged this thing and INCREASED the total number of deaths. Protecting/vaccinating the vulnerable (elderly over 65 and weak immune systems) is the answer and then leave everyone else alone. The lowest reported death rates in the entire world are in Africa (other than South Africa) and coincidentally the same regions have the lowest (dramatically lower) vaccination rates. Hmm…..

  • Jo Baumann says:

    Where are you getting your information?? The latest data show that natural immunity is far superior to Vaccine immunity. With the vaccine, you have precious little antibodies left at 6 months, hence booster shots. The vaccine only gives you protection against the spike protein, getting Covid gives immunity against the whole virus giving you superior protection against variants. It appears that natural immunity gets stonger with time whereas the reverse is true with vaccine. Not sure you are correct about natural B &T cells with vaccine. I think they get wiped out with the vaccine. It is dangerous for people who had covid to get vaccine. You’d be a fool to get vaccine if you have had covid.

    • George Oscar Dodd says:

      Follow the $$$$$.

    • Rob says:

      And your medical degree is from where exactly? They say where they got their data from. If you choose not to believe it, that’s on you. Get you head out of your ass and listen to the people who have dedicated their lives to this research, not just Googled it while watching “Housewives Of Beverly Hills”!!

      • Matt says:

        Hi. I’m from the future. He was right. But anyone could have guessed that hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution and tens of thousands of successful virus defenses ingrained in our DNA would trump a quickly developed vaccine.
        Also, you might want to consider that some medical and science institutions have long been corrupted by big pharma. You’d be a moron not to.

  • Dick Leppky says:

    WHY are you so gullible – or uninformed – or part of the global propaganda cabal? You will all need to answer one day:

    • Babycatcher_Jen says:

      That “Dr.” has been suspended from practice, hawks essential oils on FB & is currently trying to raise TWO MILLION DOLLARS for a “Lifestyle Medical Centre”! Yeah…I’ll follow the $$$, right towards her doorstep!

  • Sanchia Aranda says:

    Fantastic piece answering a lot of questions I have when talking to my vaccination hesitant relatives who say they would rather just get natural immunity. Thanks so much.

    • Paul Duffy says:

      What did you take from that report? I thought that it gave me a clear indication that natural immunity is working and research is on going.

      • Babycatcher_Jen says:

        That’s what I got too! It’s fairly self-explanatory…research what we don’t know and be humble about what we can’t know…

  • Lumina says:

    I was infected with Corona virus at the end of November 2020 and I was fine and with a post Covid evaluation good.I had my first shot of Pfizer vaccine on 17th April 2021 and I had for 4 days nasty side effects, but the second shot of the same vaccine made on 8th May 2021 almost killed me .For 2 and a half months my life was a nightmare: 4-5 faints a day that makes me staying at bed more , negative outcomes to medical checks-ups, variations of blood pressure( and there were none before), cholesterol ‘s values affected( and I am a slim person with a strict diet), etc .I live in corrupt Romania and despite my attempts to communicate my feed-back to authorities( according to legal and local procedures)there was no reply or response even to local authorities’s phone calls when I asked for help and a normal medical check-up..All the medical checks ups made were expensive and made on my expense and with huge physical efforts.

  • Carol says:

    Please read open letter to the President of the University of Guelph posted in the main stream media today. It’s thorough, accurate and shows the damage caused by mandating these vaccines. It also, with medical verification, shows how Dr. Briddle has natural immunity because of his previous exposure to covid 19. This man is an expert in immunology and vaccines, one of the leaders at the university, and even he is being prevented from coming into the university.

    Healthy debate never debates anything. That is why I want to unsubscribe. But your website won’t let me unsubscribe. How many others are in the same boat as I am in, forced to receive emails that I don’t want because you won’t unsubscribe me. Is this one of your little tricks too?

  • Don Taylor says:

    This is the most opaque (to the non-medical lay person) article Healthy Debate has published in quite a long while. Unfortunately, it reinforces the fears of those who are vaccine hesitant or vaccine deniers. And what public policy prescription would the author offer?

    I think, but not at all certain, that this article says: if you get COVID and if you are fortunate to recover, then you have natural immunity; and this natural immunity is more effective than vaccine, both in reducing the likelihood of getting COVID again and/or making you less sick than you would be if your were fully vaccinated. Pity all those unfortunate folks who died from COVID – so much for natural immunity. And as for those asymptotic folks who got COVID and neither they nor anyone else knew they had it – Should they get tested? And if yes, will the test show that they had COVID and they are ‘good-to-go” or will the test show that they should quarantine and/or get themselves to the hospital asap?

    • Adelaide says:

      Don’t be silly! A positive antibody test doesn’t mean a positive Covid test! My my, you need to do your homework.

      • Nikolai says:

        Well, it means 100% previous infection since virtually ALL antibody tests are 100% SARS-CoV-2 specific and even rapid tests detect IgG ab.
        IgM though… you may be still infected if you only have these on a rapid ab test. So if you get IgM only on a rapid test, you may be on mid-infection or on the last leg before you get IgG, meaning you are still under 14 days. So his question is actually great and I find it strange it is not properly explained everywhere.

  • Stephen Schmidt says:

    I find this article informative, however, why mention a conversation with a celebrity? This is not scientific and I believe it damages the credibility of the article.

  • rickk says:

    Imagine the virus is like a bicycle. The pharma companies built a treatment (not a vaccine) to recognize one (1) part of the virus – the spike protein (which is kind of like the front tire). After the jabs, the body makes antibodies to recognise this spike protein and hook into it in a specific way. This is the protection the jab provides.

    Now imagine you get the the virus ‘naturally’. You are in good health, under 65, without any significant medical conditions. Your immune response rises to the challenge and you fight off the virus. You make many different antibodies as part of this immune response. Back to the bicycle analogy, you now not only recognise the front tire, but also the back tire, the seat, the pedals, the handle bars etc. Your body is more efficient in fighting off this virus (nay any virus) ‘naturally’.

    Then suddenly ‘poof’ the virus changes a bit – and your antibodies no longer recognise that spike protein (the front tire) very well. This, of course, diminishes the body’s response to fight a subsequent viral burden. But if you recovered from covid ‘naturally’, you have the full efficiency of your immune system and it’s ability to recognize and attack the virus from many ways.

    This is why these current ‘vaccines’ are less efficient – the body kind of only mobilized the police – not the army, the navy, or the marines. This is why people, that have been doubly jabbed, are dying – Vermont in Aug-2021 53% of covid deaths were from double jabbed people, Massachusetts in Sept-2021 48% of covid deaths were from double jabbed people.

    Forcing people that have got and recovered from covid is silly – they already have the police, army, navy and the marines ‘activated’ in their body. Giving them more ‘police’ is not very helpful (some might say harmful).

  • Cam says:

    Pfizer’s scientists admit on camera that natural immunity is better than vaccine induced:

    • Kurt says:

      Every single study shows natural immunity to be far superior to any mrna gene therapy experiment currently on the market, yet for some reason governments around the world are pushing the agenda to have everyone take part in the mrna gene therapy experiment. The biggest question on the planet should be why is that? First they say follow the science, until proof their science is failing, then they tell us to follow mandates. How long will people pretend this isn’t happening? It just goes to show how few people still have the ability of critical thought.

      • Mati says:

        “governments around the world are pushing the agenda to have everyone take part in the mrna gene therapy experiment”

        Several EU countries recognize natural immunity. In those jurisdictions, a past positive PCR tests gets you
        the vaccination certificate.

      • Larry Caillouet says:

        Every single study? But yet you give references to none of these studies?
        And “far superior”? I don’t know where you get such bogus information, but it does demonstrate that some people are not good with critical thought.


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